Ricofoley Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 At least 20 Gazans have died due to malnutrition since the beginning of war, says health ministry in strip WWW.CNN.COM At least 20 people have died due to malnutrition and dehydration since the war began in Gaza, including a 15-year-old boy who was declared dead at the Al-Shifa medical complex on Wednesday, the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza said. Children die of hunger and mothers are unable to breastfeed newborns in Gaza WWW.CNN.COM Anwar Abdul Nabi perches on the edge of a bed at the Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza. Her eyes are sunken with grief. Things were plenty grim already, but it seems like there's a shift happening from "general warnings about food insecurity" to "actual deaths directly attributable to starvation" happening 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 The powers that allowed this to happen are all totally despicable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Two separate UN reports allege the use of sexual torture by "both sides": UN: 'Convincing information' sexual violence committed against hostages in Gaza WWW.BBC.COM The UN also found "reasonable grounds to believe" rapes took place during Hamas's 7 October attack. Quote A UN team says there is "convincing information" that hostages held in Gaza have been subjected to sexual violence including rape and sexualised torture. There were grounds to suspect the abuse was still ongoing, the UN said. The UN team also found "reasonable grounds to believe" sexual violence, including gang rape, took place when Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October. Israel's foreign ministry said it welcomed the "definitive recognition that Hamas committed sexual crimes". The UN Security Council should now designate Hamas as a terrorist organisation and impose international sanctions on it, spokesman Lior Haiat said. Hamas rejected the UN report as "baseless and only aimed at demonising the Palestinian resistance". The group denies its gunmen sexually assaulted women during the attacks or mistreated female hostages they took to Gaza. Quote Pramila Patten, the UN's Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict, said her team had "found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualised torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" had been committed against hostages. There were "reasonable grounds" to believe such violence could be "ongoing against those still held in captivity", she told reporters. Palestinians ‘beaten and sexually assaulted’ at Israeli detention centres, UN report claims | Israel | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Internal analysis by UNRWA, based on interviews with released Palestinians, describes dog attacks and the prolonged use of stress positions Quote An internal UN report describes widespread abuse of Palestinian detainees in Israeli detention centres, including beatings, dog attacks, the prolonged use of stress positions and sexual assault. The report was compiled by the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine (UNRWA) and is largely based on interviews of Palestinian detainees released at the Kerem Shalom crossing point since December, when UNRWA staff were present to provide humanitarian support. The report, which has been circulated within the UN and seen by the Guardian, says that just over 1,000 detainees have been released since December. But it estimates that more than 4,000 men, women and children have been rounded up in Gaza since the start of the current conflict, triggered by Hamas raids into southern Israel on 7 October which killed about 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians. Israel denies the abuse allegations, which it described as Hamas-inspired propaganda. It has named 12 UNRWA staff it claims took part in the 7 October attack, and claims that 450 of the agency’s 13,000 workers in Gaza are members of Hamas or other militant groups. The allegations, which are being studied by two separate UN inquiries, have so far not been substantiated. The UNRWA report says that its employees have been detained, many while carrying out aid work, subjected to abuse, and put under pressure to smear the agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 17 hours ago, johnny said: israel and the united states are fucking pathetic pieces of shits You forgot Hamas. Let's not be coy here--there is no belligerent party in this conflict that is not being shitty. Israel has no self-restraint, the US is enabling them, and Hamas is trying to maximize the casualty count for recruiting purposes. (after having provoked Israel in the first place with their own murderous rampage) I really wish the US would just wash its hands of the whole damn conflict and leave the region to self-fund its fruitless genocidal circular firing squad, but, ya know, geopolitics and the MIC... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 In the last week or so we've seen multiple "new" articles with headlines like... EVIDENCE OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE and then they go on to say stuff like... "a few individuals conducting interviews of Israelis talked to a few people who pinky swear that they saw victims with their pants down" None of these new reports or findings actually have any new information at all, they are just being presented to us as if they do. Hamas super duper sucks. I'm sure there was some horrible sexual violence to go along with the "regular" horrible violence... but why are we still talking about this half a year later like it changes anything. Is the addition of rape supposed to justify this response? Is 1,200 dead and a few rapes really that much worse than just 1,200 dead? I mean, I know the answer, I'm just thinking out loud, but it's annoying to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 29 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: You forgot Hamas. Let's not be coy here--there is no belligerent party in this conflict that is not being shitty. Israel has no self-restraint, the US is enabling them, and Hamas is trying to maximize the casualty count for recruiting purposes. (after having provoked Israel in the first place with their own murderous rampage) I really wish the US would just wash its hands of the whole damn conflict and leave the region to self-fund its fruitless genocidal circular firing squad, but, ya know, geopolitics and the MIC... lmfao, congrats, even though you don’t support what’s happening you are cool with it. “damn this is terrible but ALSO hamas” no shit Hamas sucks. i’m a little more concerned about the country that’s committing genocide and the country i live in supporting them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, johnny said: lmfao, congrats, even though you don’t support what’s happening you are cool with it. “damn this is terrible but ALSO hamas” no shit Hamas sucks. i’m a little more concerned about the country that’s committing genocide and the country i live in supporting them Not so much cool with it as resigned to the fact that there’s nothing we can really do about it at this point, except probably make it worse. Regardless, I would argue that you’re perhaps overlooking a key dynamic here, which is that Hamas is an accomplice to the IDF in this genocide. They and Bibi (and various other enabling parties, like the U.S.) are interconnected parts of the same genocidal system. The genocide ends when the system gets reformed, and fundamentally both Hamas and the Israeli political and military establishment must play an equal part in that. I just don’t think blaming one head on the hydra more than another for the hydra’s depredations is the right way to think about the beast’s behavior. But I realize it’s not the most popular take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Not so much cool with it as resigned to the fact that there’s nothing we can really do about it at this point, except probably make it worse. Regardless, I would argue that you’re perhaps overlooking a key dynamic here, which is that Hamas is an accomplice to the IDF in this genocide. They and Bibi (and various other enabling parties, like the U.S.) are interconnected parts of the same genocidal system. The genocide ends when the system gets reformed, and fundamentally both Hamas and the Israeli political and military establishment must play an equal part in that. I just don’t think blaming one head on the hydra more than another for the hydra’s depredations is the right way to think about the beast’s behavior. But I realize it’s not the most popular take. yeah i blame the head that’s actively bombing the fuck out of innocent people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 minutes ago, johnny said: yeah i blame the head that’s actively bombing the fuck out of innocent people I do too, but only incidentally, as with every other head; the essential blame I place on the heart that’s pumping blood to all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, johnny said: yeah i blame the head that’s actively bombing the fuck out of innocent people And not the side that's been actively trying to bomb the fuck out of innocent people before during and after October 7? What I find super frustrating about this whole conflict is that the cease fire now crowd isn't pushing for a long term solution be discussed. As soon as a cease fire happens everyone is going to stop caring and will just be setting the stage to do this all over again in a few years. The cynic in me can't help but wonder if this is deliberate since the long term auto pilot trajectory of the conflict is on the Palestinian's side (generational shift in opposition to Israel, Palestinian demographics, etc) with the ultimate goal being to hit the undo button on 1948. At which point are we just sacrificing yet another generation of Palestinians to one day maybe Palestine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 43 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: since the long term auto pilot trajectory of the conflict is on the Palestinian's side Is it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: And not the side that's been actively trying to bomb the fuck out of innocent people before during and after October 7? What I find super frustrating about this whole conflict is that the cease fire now crowd isn't pushing for a long term solution be discussed. As soon as a cease fire happens everyone is going to stop caring and will just be setting the stage to do this all over again in a few years. The cynic in me can't help but wonder if this is deliberate since the long term auto pilot trajectory of the conflict is on the Palestinian's side (generational shift in opposition to Israel, Palestinian demographics, etc) with the ultimate goal being to hit the undo button on 1948. At which point are we just sacrificing yet another generation of Palestinians to one day maybe Palestine? LMAOOOOOO in what way is the trajectory of the conflict on palestines side lmao. like be fucking serious also let’s remember all the terrible shit that has happened to palestinians before this. you don’t get to just drop in there that bad things happened to israel. this is an incredibly messy situation but what’s crystal clear is that israel IS committing genocide here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Is it though 1 hour ago, johnny said: LMAOOOOOO in what way is the trajectory of the conflict on palestines side lmao. like be fucking serious also let’s remember all the terrible shit that has happened to palestinians before this. you don’t get to just drop in there that bad things happened to israel. this is an incredibly messy situation but what’s crystal clear is that israel IS committing genocide here. If the status quo continues the only logistical end is the One State Solution that's either an apartheid state with no international support or gives full Israeli citizenship (which results in a Arab majority and the end of the Jewish State). Look at the birth rates, the Palestinians aren't leaving no matter how bad conditions get. The Israelis don't have a solution because they're idiots and can't see past their nationalist delusions. Be serious yourself, where is this thing in 10 years? The entire Palestinian theory of victory has been make the world hate Israel, that's working. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 18 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: If the status quo continues the only logistical end is the One State Solution that's either an apartheid state with no international support or gives full Israeli citizenship (which results in a Arab majority and the end of the Jewish State). Look at the birth rates, the Palestinians aren't leaving no matter how bad conditions get. The Israelis don't have a solution because they're idiots and can't see past their nationalist delusions. Be serious yourself, where is this thing in 10 years? The entire Palestinian theory of victory has been make the world hate Israel, that's working. This, every dead Palestinian builds support for them and the context is lost. Which is what I was worried was going to happen, Hamas played the hand right and Israel fell into the trap which was obvious what was going to happen because Bibi is a pos. Hamas provoked an over response and now my nieces and nephews will suffer because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: If the status quo continues the only logistical end is the One State Solution that's either an apartheid state with no international support or gives full Israeli citizenship (which results in a Arab majority and the end of the Jewish State). Look at the birth rates, the Palestinians aren't leaving no matter how bad conditions get. The Israelis don't have a solution because they're idiots and can't see past their nationalist delusions. Be serious yourself, where is this thing in 10 years? The entire Palestinian theory of victory has been make the world hate Israel, that's working. israel is committing genocide and the united states is supporting them. 10 years from now? what about right now? tens of thousands are being bombed out of existence. i’m not going to pretend i have the solution for the next 50 years. i’m talking about RIGHT NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, johnny said: i’m talking about RIGHT NOW 75 years of just focusing on 'right now' is how we got here. 2005 movie clip taking place in the 1970s that's still completely accurate in 2024, and will be in 10 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 18 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: 75 years of just focusing on 'right now' is how we got here. 2005 movie clip taking place in the 1970s that's still completely accurate in 2024, and will be in 10 years. American liberals use this to virtue signal dude, it’s not worth the effort. they like Jews when they’re victims, not when they fight back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I don't have a solution but the status quo before Oct 7 and after is untenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: If the status quo continues the only logistical end is the One State Solution that's either an apartheid state with no international support or gives full Israeli citizenship (which results in a Arab majority and the end of the Jewish State). Look at the birth rates, the Palestinians aren't leaving no matter how bad conditions get. The Israelis don't have a solution because they're idiots and can't see past their nationalist delusions. Be serious yourself, where is this thing in 10 years? The entire Palestinian theory of victory has been make the world hate Israel, that's working. Where’s this no international support? There’s always going to be a China, Russia, KSA, etc who care less than nothing about Palestinians and all about what Israel, a rich country with a modern economy and a large (&modern!) defense industry for export, can bring to the table. This isn’t the international community that pressured South Africa decades ago. And the support from the U.S. (such that it is) drying up because of the younger generations is the same supposition that the demographic destiny of the U.S. will tend to favor democrats, and which there may be some truth to it, it is not destiny and assumes the right will simply give up power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 Biden to announce US will build port on Gaza shore for large-scale aid delivery | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM President to make announcement in State of the Union speech while senior US official says ‘We are not waiting on the Israelis’ Quote The U.S. military has “unique capabilities” that allow it to construct a port or causeway without having to send forces to Gaza’s shores, said one of the officials. “We’re not planning for this to be an operation that would require U.S. boots on the ground,” said a second one. How the hell do you build a port with troops to build it and provide security? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 18 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden to announce US will build port on Gaza shore for large-scale aid delivery | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM President to make announcement in State of the Union speech while senior US official says ‘We are not waiting on the Israelis’ How the hell do you build a port with troops to build it and provide security? So what's the plan for the supplies to not just pile up at the port when Israel refuses to distribute any of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 17 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden to announce US will build port on Gaza shore for large-scale aid delivery | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM President to make announcement in State of the Union speech while senior US official says ‘We are not waiting on the Israelis’ How the hell do you build a port with troops to build it and provide security? You know what would be better? Actually pressuring Israel to allow aid trucks to pass through and withholding aid and weapon shipments until they do. Actually putting more and more political pressure on a government that is already deeply unpopular with their population. But, nah. Let’s do everything except that and try every rule in the book to continue to send weapons and aid while bypassing Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 29 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden to announce US will build port on Gaza shore for large-scale aid delivery | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM President to make announcement in State of the Union speech while senior US official says ‘We are not waiting on the Israelis’ How the hell do you build a port with troops to build it and provide security? 10 minutes ago, Jason said: So what's the plan for the supplies to not just pile up at the port when Israel refuses to distribute any of it? Mercen...I mean contractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Mercen...I mean contractors. Not wrong, I guarantee it'll pay well too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden to announce US will build port on Gaza shore for large-scale aid delivery | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM President to make announcement in State of the Union speech while senior US official says ‘We are not waiting on the Israelis’ How the hell do you build a port with troops to build it and provide security? Probably with a barge like the ones sitting off of Normandie even today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I can see the port in Israel now... One dock with a big sign that says "DELIVER BOMBS HERE" and another that says "DELIVER HUMANITARIAN AID HERE". We're a one stop shop for all your wartime needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 These people are cursed. American aid packages kill five Gazans in airdrop failure WWW.JPOST.COM According to the reports, the parachutes on the humanitarian aid packages did not open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 Looks like the Gaza Port is going to be built by the Army's Watercraft Brigade in Virginia, assuming the Army boats make it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Breaking the rule, too good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Top Democrat Schumer calls for new elections in Israel, saying Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace - ABC News ABCNEWS.GO.COM Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is calling on Israel to hold new elections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Yeah that’ll happen, but thanks for the theater I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/14/2024 at 8:17 PM, CitizenVectron said: Top Democrat Schumer calls for new elections in Israel, saying Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace - ABC News ABCNEWS.GO.COM Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is calling on Israel to hold new elections Schumer used to be a Netanyahu ally IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Russia and China veto US ceasefire UN resolution U.N. Security Council fails to pass U.S. resolution calling for immediate Gaza cease-fire WWW.NBCNEWS.COM “This resolution is an opportunity for the Council to speak with one voice to support the diplomacy happening on the ground,” a U.S. spokesperson said ahead of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 If you ever feel worthless in life, just remember the UN exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/23/politics/israel-us-proposal-palestinian-prisoners/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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