TUFKAK Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Hamas says its fighters killed three people at Jerusalem bus stop | CNN EDITION.CNN.COM Hamas said the attackers behind a Jerusalem bus stop shooting on Thursday were members of its military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I’m a believer of Hanlons Razor but this strains belief that this was merely incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, outsida said: I’m a believer of Hanlons Razor but this strains belief that this was merely incompetence. It's a combination of incompetence/hubris on the part of the Israelis and genuine misdirection on the part of Hamas by lulling Tel Aviv into thinking that they no longer had the desire for military confrontation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 48 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's a combination of incompetence/hubris on the part of the Israelis and genuine misdirection on the part of Hamas by lulling Tel Aviv into thinking that they no longer had the desire for military confrontation. Wasn't there also something earlier ITT about Bibi wanting Hamas to be reasonably powerful as a useful boogeyman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Wasn't there also something earlier ITT about Bibi wanting Hamas to be reasonably powerful as a useful boogeyman? Yes, there's the long-standing notion that his government turned a blind eye to the substantial amounts of Gulf State cash going to Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jason said: Wasn't there also something earlier ITT about Bibi wanting Hamas to be reasonably powerful as a useful boogeyman? And to undercut the PLO who he saw as a greater threat. I legit despise that man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Ceasefire's over, apparently. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-12-1-23/h_743cf718f497f9bed76b29c8c1c1b4e5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Did the IDF actually 'take' Gaza City before the cease fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 54 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Did the IDF actually 'take' Gaza City before the cease fire? From a traditional military perspective of what it means to "take" an area, I'd say absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonSnob Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Texas Democratic Party Becomes First State Party To Call For A Ceasefire WWW.LONESTARLEFT.COM This is a win for Texas Progressives. EXTREMELY rare Texas Democratic Party W. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I don't get these, we act like we control another country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: I don't get these, we act like we control another country. We gotta signal our virtue bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: We gotta signal our virtue bro. It's like liberals arguing against "Colonialism" acting like Colonialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I always thought the idea was that Israel gets so much money from the US that if it becomes politically unpalatable over here that money could dry up. Virtue signaling with at least the vaguest possibility of a consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 The Pentagon says US warship, commercial ships attacked in Red Sea. Houthis claim attacking 2 ships APNEWS.COM The attack Sunday potentially marks a major escalation in a series of maritime attacks in the Mideast linked to the Israel-Hamas war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SuperSpreader said: I don't get these, we act like we control another country. Our government has significant power to pressure allied nations when they want to get those nations to go in the direction America wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: Our government has significant power to pressure allied nations when they want to get those nations to go in the direction America wants. Wata good fried, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 12 hours ago, SuperSpreader said: It's like liberals arguing against "Colonialism" acting like Colonialists. Oh it’s exactly what it is but Americans have an incredibly myopic view of the world so will miss this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Quote Tanks reported on outskirts of Khan Younis Yolande Knell BBC Middle East correspondent, in Jerusalem Witnesses and local journalists in Gaza are reporting that they have seen Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles on the outskirts of Khan Younis in the south. They say they are to the east, by the areas of Abasan, and Khuzaa, which is nearest to the boundary fence with Israel. Israel’s military has already air-dropped leaflets in parts of the south, telling Palestinians to move to other areas. Israel Defense Forces spokesman, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, has said wherever there is a Hamas stronghold, the IDF operates. Since fighting resumed in Gaza with the collapse of last week’s truce, Israeli air strikes have intensified in the south. Many of the Palestinians recently killed had fled here from fighting elsewhere in the strip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Israel should just give Gaza back to Egypt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Quote John Bolton, the former Republican US national security adviser, has proposed to the UK’s foreign affairs select committee that the Gaza Strip be split into two territories, with Gaza north of the Wadi Gaza River administered by Israel and an area to the south run by Egypt. Bolton added that he would abolish the UN relief works agency, UNRWA, which he said had “developed an institutional culture of sustaining the refugee status of Palestinians”. His proposal would involve large numbers of Palestinians leaving Gaza permanently. Bolton said his it would mean Palestinians were no longer stuck in the eternal hell of Gaza, a place he described as a terrorist state. Bolton said it was clear that the refugees from Gaza would not be able to be resettled in Israel, since that was not consistent with Israel’s security needs. He added that Israel had made it clear it was not even going to provide work visas. As a result, he said, they should be resettled in third countries. “This is not forcible population removal but doing what we did after world war two – we find other countries that will accept refugees and give them asylum. They have to be put in places where they are part of a functioning economy. Otherwise they do not have the dignity of providing for themselves,” he said. Bolton, who acted as national security adviser to Donald Trump, warned that if the current population was allowed to stay in Gaza they would be in an “Orwellian situation where there is no future and the Palestinian people will become victims once again”. He described his plan as an interim solution and claimed it was legal since there was an unresolved mandate for Gaza dating to the League of Nations, and the previous responsibility of the British had not been clearly handed to anyone else. Bolton’s plan is based on the presumption that Gaza and the West Bank will not form a state as part of a wider two-state solution. His proposal echoes proposals circulating in the Israeli government. Washington has ruled out such a proposal but as Gaza becomes slowly uninhabitable due to Israeli bombardment, the US could reluctantly change its policy to seek homes for Palestinians away from Gaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Egypt occupies Gaza, Jordan occupies the West Bank under a UN mandate to build Palestinian governance capability and the Palestinian economy, Saudi Arabia pays for it. There is your peace plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Egypt occupies Gaza, Jordan occupies the West Bank under a UN mandate to build Palestinian governance capability and the Palestinian economy, Saudi Arabia pays for it. There is your peace plan. Lol Arab states do something outside of issue proclamations. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The Muslim-dominant Middle Eastern and Arab countries surrounding Israel and Palestine have never been interested in taking on the Palestinian refugee situation or the land shared with Israel that the Palestinians live in given the political and economic implications. Egypt isn't even trying to be helpful right now, just as one example. It sucks but that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Yep colonialism is bad Wait, be a colonialist so we don’t have to own the things we say we care about. #river to the sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Quote IDF chief announces new phase of Gaza invasion Israel’s top military commander has said his forces are encircling the city of Khan Younis in southern Gaza as he announced the “third phase” of Israel’s ground offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. At a press conference today, Lt Gen Herzi Halevi, chief of Israel’s general staff, said Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had eliminated “many operatives, including senior commanders”, over the last few days, the Times of Israel reported. He said: After 60 days since the beginning of the war, our forces are surrounding the Khan Younis area in southern Gaza. At the same time, we are working to deepen the achievement in the northern part of the Strip. Anyone who thought that the IDF would not know how to resume the fighting after the truce was mistaken. Hamas is feeling this strongly. He said the IDF had “captured many Hamas strongholds in northern Gaza” and that it was now operating “against its centres of gravity in the south”. Israel’s military knew in advance that Hezbollah would resume its attacks on Israel’s north after the weeklong truce with Hamas, he added. Quote IDF in the heart of Khan Younis on most intense day of fighting, it says An Israel Defense Forces (IDF) commander has said that its forces have been engaged in “the most intense day” of fighting since the start of their invasion of Gaza. Yaron Finkelman described it as “the most intense day since the beginning of the ground operation – in terms of terrorists killed, the number of firefights, and the use of firepower from the land and air.” A statement said Israeli forces are now fighting “in the heart of Jabaliya, in the heart of Shejaiya, and now also in the heart of Khan Younis.” The Kremlin smells opportunity: Quote Vladimir Putin will travel to the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia on Wednesday on a rare overseas trip to discuss the Israel-Hamas war as Moscow seeks to reassert Russia’s role in the Middle East. Hamas, which most western countries consider to be a terrorist group, is on good terms with Russia, frequently sending delegations to Moscow. Qatar, the west’s preferred interlocutor with Hamas, has been unable to find the basis for a further hostage swap between Israel and the Palestinian group, the precondition for a second humanitarian pause, so Putin has relatively little to lose by intervening now. On Thursday he will host the Iranian president, Ebrahim Raisi. The two leaders last spoke by phone on 16 October. Raisi has been unable to persuade leaders of the Gulf states to do more to support Hamas, such as impose an oil boycott on Israel. Iran has been accused by Israel and the UK of being behind the attacks on the Red Sea undertaken by Houthi rebels on western-lined international shipping. Western countries have accused Tehran of supporting Russia’s offensive in Ukraine by providing it with large quantities of drones and other weaponry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TUFKAK Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 One man’s freedom fighter or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 US officials think Gaza ground operation could end by January as Biden admin privately warns Israel about its tactics | CNN Politics EDITION.CNN.COM US officials expect the current phase of Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza targeting the southern end of the strip to last several weeks before Israel transitions, possibly by January, to a lower-intensity, hyper-localized strategy that narrowly targets specific Hamas militants and leaders, multiple senior administration officials tell CNN. Quote US officials expect the current phase of Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza targeting the southern end of the strip to last several weeks before Israel transitions, possibly by January, to a lower-intensity, hyper-localized strategy that narrowly targets specific Hamas militants and leaders, multiple senior administration officials tell CNN. But as the war enters this new ground phase in the south, the White House is deeply concerned about how Israel’s operations will unfold over the next several weeks, a senior US administration official said. The US has warned Israel firmly in “hard” and “direct” conversations, they said, that the Israeli Defense Forces cannot replicate the kind of devastating tactics it used in the north and must do more to limit civilian casualties. The US has conveyed to Israel that as global opinion has increasingly turned against its ground campaign, which has killed thousands of civilians, the amount of time Israel has to continue the operation in its current form and still maintain meaningful international support is quickly waning. Quote Both in public and in private, Israeli officials maintain that part of their end goal is to weaken Hamas to such an extent that the group can never repeat the attack that it unleashed on Israel on October 7. That goal, one senior US official told CNN, is unlikely to be achieved by the end of the calendar year, and Israel is expected to continue pursuing that objective in the next phase of the conflict that US officials see as a “longer-term campaign.” An Israeli official agreed that a transition is likely to come in the next few weeks, saying: “We are in a high-intensity operation in the coming weeks, then probably moving to a low-intensity mode.” Quote Israel can’t maintain high-intensity operations indefinitely Current US assessments also show that Israel simply cannot maintain its level of high-intensity operations indefinitely, especially the mobilized reservists, a source familiar with the intelligence said. Israel has also needed to respond to near-daily attacks by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah on its northern border — another reason Israeli forces will likely need to transition to more targeted raids once they have cleared as many Hamas militants based in Gaza as they can, the source said. US officials are hopeful that Israel will move to a more targeted strategy by January, which will resemble how the US transitioned away from high-intensity combat in Iraq and Afghanistan to a more narrow campaign against terrorist leaders, senior US officials told CNN. Israeli officials have indicated that that is their intention, one of the officials said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 What we know about rape and sexual violence inflicted by Hamas during its terror attack on Israel | CNN EDITION.CNN.COM Simchat Greyman had to pause several times when describing the evidence of sexual violence he saw when recovering the bodies of victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel. Quote Simchat Greyman had to pause several times when describing the evidence of sexual violence he saw when recovering bodies of victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel. One body was so severely brutalized that he and his colleagues from ZAKA, the ultra-orthodox Jewish human remains recovery organization, couldn’t tell whether it was a man or a woman. Quote Mounting evidence The evidence of sexual violence presented during the session at the UN was ample and overwhelming and came from different sources. While Greyman spoke about his experience from the search and rescue operations, Yael Richert, a superintendent with the Israel Police, shared information gathered during the investigation so far. She said survivors of the terror attack told investigators they witnessed Hamas terrorists perpetrating sexual violence against the victims. She quoted testimonies of several individuals all of whom either directly witnessed sexual violence or saw clear evidence of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, TUFKAK said: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html Everyone should read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Everyone should read this. Caveat of massive trigger warning i stopped at the nail part, yeah no. Absolute monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: Caveat of massive trigger warning i stopped at the nail part, yeah no. Absolute monsters. I've read other ones and have seen women ask why feminists and allies don't seem to care about Jewish women. Edited- "If you're a Jew you're supposed to just take it because quietly the world thinks you deserve it." (Not verbatim) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, SuperSpreader said: I've read other ones and have seen women ask why feminists and allies don't seem to care about Jewish women. I have my own opinions of that which I won’t share here, but it’s very apparent and the silence is deafening. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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