Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, johnny said: how is it a hamas rocket if the size of the blast doesn’t line up with what hamas is capable of? like a hamas rocket but then one of this interceptor rockets IDF has? i’m not familiar with all this war technology The rockets typically launched by Hamas/PIJ into Israel from urban areas in Gaza usually contain relatively small warheads because there isn't a lot of room to launch their larger munitions (which as far as I'm aware were all eliminated by Israel during one of the previous conflicts). Now, an Israeli interceptor munition of the sort used by the Iron Dome system doesn't have that large of a warhead either which is why I still maintain that the munitiom involved was a guided AGM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, johnny said: how is it a hamas rocket if the size of the blast doesn’t line up with what hamas is capable of? like a hamas rocket but then one of this interceptor rockets IDF has? i’m not familiar with all this war technology If it was a Hamas rocket, it's one they haven't fielded often (or at all) before. If (big if) this is the case, that kind of lends credence to the theory that the rocket experienced a RUD during it's boost phase, as it's an unproven vehicle. Solid rocket motors can fail without any forewarning. I think the most likely scenario is that it was an Israeli rocket that targeted that location. If they did target that location, I would think the most likely answer is because of bad intel. I don't think Israel is stupid enough to target a hospital that holds no military significance, as the blow back they would receive from western supporters would not be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: what are the odds part of the rocket fell on the hospital and Israel simultaneously dropped a bomb on the hospital It's "war" (in the lossest possible defintion of the word) - anything is "possible", but not necessarily "likely". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Also this is a hospital, accelerants are literally pipped into the walls, so that’s a feasible possibility to explain the increased apparent yield. Not to mention oxygen etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 It's looking likely that this was an Israeli munition, but it's certainly not yet conclusive. I'm not even posting in the Resetera thread, because they are already going full conspiratorial that it was Israel and ignoring any calls for level-headedness. Like...yes, it probably was Israel. But it could have been Hamas. Or it could have been Israel, but an accident (in terms of either a miss, or bad intel). We'll know more over the next 24/7 as additional footage comes out and the actual hospital can be seen in the daylight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It's looking likely that this was an Israeli munition, but it's certainly not yet conclusive. I'm not even posting in the Resetera thread, because they are already going full conspiratorial that it was Israel and ignoring any calls for level-headedness. Like...yes, it probably was Israel. But it could have been Hamas. Or it could have been Israel, but an accident (in terms of either a miss, or bad intel). We'll know more over the next 24/7 as additional footage comes out and the actual hospital can be seen in the daylight. I’m fairly anti-Israel (IDF really) and I can’t even stomach that thread. They go hard to the extremes on every issue it seems like. This hospital event is going to drastically change the calculus here unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Comet said: I’m fairly anti-Israel (IDF really) and I can’t even stomach that thread. They go hard to the extremes on every issue it seems like. This hospital event is going to drastically change the calculus here unfortunately. I’m of the opinion that westerners in general like to view Israel negatively to assuage their own guilt over the greatest humanitarian crisis that we started. If we can blame Israel it releases us of culpability for it. Meanwhile the US invaded two whole ass countries and killed over a million people because two buildings got knocked down, but Israel is just the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, TUFKAK said: I’m of the opinion that westerners in general like to view Israel negatively to assuage their own guilt over the greatest humanitarian crisis that we started. If we can blame Israel it releases us of culpability for it. Meanwhile the US invaded two whole ass countries and killed over a million people because two buildings got knocked down, but Israel is just the worst. Not sure that’s really the case in this community. You will find that historically people here who have been against some IDF actions were also largely against efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The moral maze here is so complex that generalizing to “westerners” quickly loses any value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Comet said: Not sure that’s really the case in this community. You will find that historically people here who have been against some IDF actions were also largely against efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The moral maze here is so complex that generalizing to “westerners” quickly loses any value. I’m talking about the holocaust then the mandate. There is one group of people ultimately responsible for what’s happening today, both current combatants have their place too don’t get me wrong, but hating Israel allows them to ignore our own culpability in this disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: Meanwhile the US invaded two whole ass countries and killed over a million people because two buildings got knocked down, but Israel is just the worst One of them didn't even do anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 https://reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/T2T0FaK6iU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 UN Building in Beirut under attack from protestors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Do we know who fired the rocket yet? I'm trying to figure out who the bad guys are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Let’s party like it’s 2003 everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, osxmatt said: Do we know who fired the rocket yet? I'm trying to figure out who the bad guys are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: I’m talking about the holocaust then the mandate. There is one group of people ultimately responsible for what’s happening today, both current combatants have their place too don’t get me wrong, but hating Israel allows them to ignore our own culpability in this disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Do we know who fired the rocket yet? I'm trying to figure out who the bad guys are. Which rocket? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 My wild-ass guess of how a Hamas rocket could do this is that the engine flamed out and the rocket fell, detonating the warhead, which then detonated the fuel. Detonating rocket fuel would probably cause a much larger explosion than the warhead itself. I think it's possible. Maybe even plausible. But also... it's more likely Israel bombed a hospital because they've done that before. This is a level of destruction heretofore unseen from Hamas rocket launches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, CayceG said: My wild-ass guess of how a Hamas rocket could do this is that the engine flamed out and the rocket fell, detonating the warhead, which then detonated the fuel. Detonating rocket fuel would probably cause a much larger explosion than the warhead itself. I think it's possible. Maybe even plausible. But also... it's more likely Israel bombed a hospital because they've done that before. This is a level of destruction heretofore unseen from Hamas rocket launches. I still keep coming back to the "whine" from the Washington Post video prior to the impact/detonation. That's just too indicative of actual engine propulsion for me at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I still keep coming back to the "whine" from the Washington Post video prior to the impact/detonation. That's just too indicative of actual engine propulsion for me at this point. I wonder if a failed/failing rocket engine could do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 There's also oxygen tanks and other explosive materials at hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, CayceG said: I wonder if a failed/failing rocket engine could do that. I'm not going to discount the possibility that it could, but my God it really does sound like a completely functioning engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, CayceG said: My wild-ass guess of how a Hamas rocket could do this is that the engine flamed out and the rocket fell, detonating the warhead, which then detonated the fuel. Detonating rocket fuel would probably cause a much larger explosion than the warhead itself. I think it's possible. Maybe even plausible. But also... it's more likely Israel bombed a hospital because they've done that before. This is a level of destruction heretofore unseen from Hamas rocket launches. Have we seen other rockets falling short creating a blast that big though? Seems like it be a regular thing given the fail rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Jwheel86 said: Have we seen other rockets falling short creating a blast that big though? Seems like it be a regular thing given the fail rate. This is what swings me the other way. This just seems so incredibly different than what we've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Have we seen other rockets falling short creating a blast that big though? Seems like it be a regular thing given the fail rate. Not that I'm aware of which means that it's either a case of significantly larger warhead than the typical Hamas/PIJ munition or the "normal" warhead detonated an accelerant (oxygen, fuel, etc.) in the hospital as @TUFKAK indicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Massdriver said: Why is Biden even going at this point? Hell, I'm damned sure that Netanyahu doesn't want Biden in Israel either, but he ain't exactly gonna tell him "No, you can't come." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 rockets launched in path over hospital at the time that some projectile hits the hospital parking lot but most likely scenario is Israelis hit it? no clue on scale of destruction until daylight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: rockets launched in path over hospital at the time that some projectile hits the hospital parking lot but most likely scenario is Israelis hit it? no clue on scale of destruction until daylight Anyone wanna guess the alt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just fyi, the missiles that IDF claim were launched in that map above were launched about 40 minutes after the reports of the hospital being hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Air_Delivery said: Anyone wanna guess the alt? I'm 99% sure I know who it is, but it's based on admin panel info so kinda cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 my annoying ass friend said there’s high definition video of a hamas rocket hitting the hospital. what is he referring to? because he won’t show me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, johnny said: my annoying ass friend said there’s high definition video of a hamas rocket hitting the hospital. what is he referring to? because he won’t show me It's the video in the reddit link in @SuperSpreader's post from a few hours ago. The video is still "inconclusive". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 scene of the explosion in daylight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 health ministry made claims and people took them at their word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 No crater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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