Jwheel86 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Breaking the rule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Sure is a mystery why the Palestinians hate the Israelis enough to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Some truly horrific shit to be seen on Twitter at the moment for real. This is why religion is evil in my book. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoberChef said: Some truly horrific shit to be seen on Twitter at the moment for real. This is why religion is evil in my book. Yeah, the IDF is going to level Gaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Yeah, the IDF is going to level Gaza. A just and measured response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Today is the 50th anniversary of the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 This is a sophisticated, well-coordinated infiltration from the land, sea, and air (through the use of paragliders). This is a catastrophic failure by the Israeli intelligence services and should be "fatal" to Netanyahu's tenure as PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Hamas is uploading videos of their actions to Tik Tok and Twitter, including what appear to be kidnapped Israeli civilians being transported into Gaza as well as the bodies of dead Israelis in the aftermath of their attacks. They're definitely baiting the IDF into launching a full-scale invasion of Gaza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Not to be entirely stupid, but to what end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This is a sophisticated, well-coordinated infiltration from the land, sea, and air (through the use of paragliders). There is no way Mossad missed this. Either this is the greatest intelligence failure in the history of Israel, or the Israeli government allowed this to happen to justify a war to end this conflict once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Not to be entirely stupid, but to what end? Large numbers of dead IDF personnel in the hellscape of urban warfare in Gaza City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, Subzwari1987 said: There is no way Mossad missed this. Either this is the greatest intelligence failure in the history of Israel, or the Israeli government allowed this to happen to justify a war to end this conflict once and for all. Either way, it's not exactly a positive development for the survival of the current Israeli government. Point of clarification: because this situation evolved from Gaza, any intelligence-gathering failure would be laid at the door of Shin Bet who typically have purview over threats from the Palestinian territories rather than Mossad whose portfolio involves external threats like Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 33 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Large numbers of dead IDF personnel in the hellscape of urban warfare in Gaza City. I guess what I mean is there a larger goal than kill a bunch of IDF with a home field advantage or is this a known Pyrrhic victory at best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: I guess what I mean is there a larger goal than kill a bunch of IDF with a home field advantage or is this a known Pyrrhic victory at best? Hamas is at its root a jihadist organization. Within that context, what other "larger goal" does there really need to be other than martyrdom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 No one can say this was unprovoked given Israel's actions on the temple mount and in the settlements. Both sides are not equivalent here, but Hamas is not innocent of atrocities, as today shows. The reason for combat operations being understandable (or even justified) does not negate the heinous actions of targeting civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, CayceG said: No one can say this was unprovoked given Israel's actions on the temple mount and in the settlements. The leader of the Hamas military wing has called this "Operation Al-Aqsa Storm". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Either way, it's not exactly a positive development for the survival of the current Israeli government. Point of clarification: because this situation evolved from Gaza, any intelligence-gathering failure would be laid at the door of Shin Bet who typically have purview over threats from the Palestinian territories rather than Mossad whose portfolio involves external threats like Iran. This is an issue I’m not well versed in. My feeling would have been that it brings unity against the attackers at a time of mass protests. You really think this is going to hurt the prime minister and his government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I just read a description of one of the alleged videos that depicted the fate of one of the kidnapped Israeli women and I can honestly say that if the "retribution" from Tel Aviv is anything less than genocidal that I'd be highly surprised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: This is an issue I’m not well versed in. My feeling would have been that it brings unity against the attackers at a time of mass protests. You really think this is going to hurt the prime minister and his government? Oh absolutely it would because it occurred under his watch. Edit: It could easily be claimed that he was paying far more attention to his domestic political issues resulting from the judiciary bill than the threat looming just across the Gaza fenceline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Hamas’s murderous attack will be remembered as Israeli intelligence failure for the ages | Israel | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Israel’s advanced surveillance of Palestinians makes scenes of Hamas gunmen moving through its streets all the more astounding Quote While it is known from previous rounds of fighting in Gaza that Hamas has worked to develop independent and redundant military communication networks, including their own battlefield rebroadcast systems, this suggests two things. The first is that this was planned with a level of operational security, not just within Hamas but also rival Gaza factions, unprecedented in previous rounds of fighting where at least the broad shape if not the extent of Hamas’s building-up of stockpiles has been identified and broadcast by Israel. Military analysts have already been quick to suggest that Hamas is likely to have employed significant deception as well as the shock of attacks from multiple domains – including rocket and infiltration – to create maximum chaos. What is clear is that at several points in the buildup, potential preparations were missed: planning, stockpiling, but most crucially, in the immediate run-up to the Hamas offensive when its fighters were mustering and approaching border areas overseen by regular patrols, cameras, ground motion sensors and remote-controlled mini-cannon in places which in the past have proved effective against attempts to storm the border fence. All of which suggests an operation which – like previous Hamas surprise infiltration attacks including those involving tunnels into Israel – required a huge amount of preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Large numbers of dead IDF personnel in the hellscape of urban warfare in Gaza City. If it was me i'd just recommend saturation bombing of the city, IDF would never step foot in the city, until it was a smoking heap just to make sure they got them all, but i'm old school warfare, none of this hearts and minds BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: If it was me i'd just recommend saturation bombing of the city, IDF would never step foot in the city, until it was a smoking heap just to make sure they got them all, but i'm old school warfare, none of this hearts and minds BS. Your Likud party membership card is in the mail! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, CayceG said: Your Likud party membership card is in the mail! lol, its not specific to this situation or parties involved in anyway, measured responses are a waste of time, eliminate your enemies or don't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 The Israeli government is reporting 40 Israeli civilian fatalities while Israeli media outlets are reporting over 100. Palestinian authorities are reporting nearly 200 Palestinian civilian fatalities from the Israeli retaliatory strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Israeli sources estimate that possibly as many as 1,000 fighters infiltated from four locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 A Gaza TV news crew broadcast a live report of the infiltration as it was happening from the Israeli side of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Quote The deputy head of Hamas's political bureau, Saleh al-Arouri, has claimed "senior officers" from Israel's army have been captured He told Al Jazeera's Arabic channel that "what is in our hands will free all the prisoners" in Israel - an apparent reference to Palestinians being held in Israeli jails. "We captured senior officers from the occupation army," he said. "There are many Palestinians killed and many Israelis dead as well as prisoners, and the battle is still at its peak." Arouri said Hamas was ready to meet an Israeli ground incursion into Gaza, which he described as "the best scenario for us to resolve the conflict against the enemy". Quote Dozens of Palestinians killed trying to infiltrate Israel by sea, military says The unprecedented attack on Israel from Gaza involved a massive barrage of rockets as well as gunmen infiltrating Israeli territory - and also sea operations. Israel's military now says its naval forces have killed dozens of Palestinian militants who were travelling over water to get into the country, according to Reuters. Israeli officials previously said there had been "infiltrations from paragliders, sea and ground". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Israeli fatalities now officially reported at 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Quote More from the Israel Defense Forces, who have confirmed their troops are fighting in 22 locations in a statement. "There is no community in southern Israel where we do not have forces," it says. Quote In its statement, the Israeli army also confirms that there are hostage situations in the kibbutzes of Ofakim and Be'eri. It says special forces are involved and "live firefights" are ongoing. Separately, the army confirms Israeli soldiers have been killed, but does not provide numbers. Quote "Our goals are that all the terrorists will be killed, that all the communities will be rid of terrorists," the IDF statement continues. It also warned people living in Israel near the Gaza Strip to stay sheltering inside until then. The statement continues that the IDF is carrying out air strikes in Gaza and will later continue with "heavy ground means" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Does Iran give money to Hamas or just Hezbollah? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-10-07/hamas-s-attack-on-israel-just-torched-biden-s-deal-to-remake-the-middle-east Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jason said: Does Iran give money to Hamas or just Hezbollah? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-10-07/hamas-s-attack-on-israel-just-torched-biden-s-deal-to-remake-the-middle-east Tehran doesn't provide significant funding to Hamas as far as I'm aware. Hamas funding largely originates from Gulf Arab sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I’m shocked, but not at all surprised. Im more surprised that this hasn’t happened sooner. but im also shocked by the intelligence failures required for this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The end of that is powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Tehran doesn't provide significant funding to Hamas as far as I'm aware. Hamas funding largely originates from Gulf Arab sources. I was asking about Iran because they have obvious motive to try to blow up the Israeli-Saudi peace talks; do any Gulf Arab states? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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