Kamusha Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Florida to allow death penalty with 8-4 jury vote instead of unanimously WWW.REUTERS.COM Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is expected to sign a bill on Friday allowing juries to recommend the death penalty in capital cases on an 8-4 vote, a move spurred by... Our dictator… sorry I mean governor began pushing for this once the Parkland shooter received a life sentence instead of capital punishment. Once this bill is signed into law Florida will become the only other state to do this other than Alabama. Look, I’m sure most of us if not all would rather Nicholas Cruz to no longer be alive, whether directly by the hands of the justice system or from a poetic twist of faith (I’m the later), but using this situation to argue for no longing erring on the side of caution is bad, bad, bad. Pro life my ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Look, I am all for the death penalty, but this is nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 hours ago, SoberChef said: Look, I am all for the death penalty, but this is nuts! Why? It accomplishes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Why? It accomplishes nothing. What does life in prison accomplish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: What does life in prison accomplish? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: What does life in prison accomplish? Preventing the state from taking life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: What does life in prison accomplish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Allows for correction of wrongful imprisonment in a flawed and racist justice system? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Preventing the state from taking life This was the exact reasoning that my hardcore conservative neighbor in South Florida used when he loudly and vehemently railed against the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: What does life in prison accomplish? What makes you think I like that either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Given the recent scotus jurisprudence on the death penalty, where even actual innocence with evidence which may be exculpatory is not enough to save you from execution because of the “finality of justice” or some bullshit like that, you’d have to be the biggest dipshit alive to support the death penalty. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: What does life in prison accomplish? You can make a couple of black metal albums. It's very inspirational to have a life sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I think it's about time for a Florida megathread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, osxmatt said: I think it's about time for a Florida megathread. Florida: The Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 hours ago, osxmatt said: I think it's about time for a Florida megathread. You mean a Florida magathread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 It’s funny how many self-described libertarians support the death penally. It‘s almost like it’s an incoherent ideology or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Kamusha said: It’s funny how many self-described libertarians support the death penally. It‘s almost like it’s an incoherent ideology or something. I wouldn't say I'm exactly pro-death penalty. If the death penalty went away I suppose I wouldn't put up to much of a fuss. I do think it's interesting though that some people seem to have this opinion that: 1. The death penalty is cruel and unusual 2. Life in prison is actually a much harsher sentence than execution. If life in prison a worse sentence, doesn't that mean an innocent person who ends up dying of old age behind bars is actually in a worse position than an innocent person who is executed? I think in order to hold opinion #1, you can't also hold opinion #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 In theory I have no issue with the death penalty. In reality, I don’t trust the legal system to get it right all the time. I read Anthony Hinton’s memoir and what he endured was horrific. You can reverse a life sentence, once you carry out an execution, it’s done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Life in prison should be as relatively infrequent as the death penalty is today tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Death penalty is such a hard question to really weigh… these mass school shooters… majority of them plead insanity because to exercise that level of cruelty we all say “they must be insane”… but insane or not is there a recovery from that? redemption? It is a wasted life, so why maintain through incarceration? well death penalty is more expensive than incarceration they say… well if these folks are so “insane” and detached from society why bother with a “humane” death? Honestly its a mess, just the concept of validating/justifying taking a life is insane but at the same time preserving one thats wasted and has no future… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 8 hours ago, 5timechamp said: Death penalty is such a hard question to really weigh… these mass school shooters… majority of them plead insanity because to exercise that level of cruelty we all say “they must be insane”… but insane or not is there a recovery from that? redemption? It is a wasted life, so why maintain through incarceration? well death penalty is more expensive than incarceration they say… well if these folks are so “insane” and detached from society why bother with a “humane” death? Honestly its a mess, just the concept of validating/justifying taking a life is insane but at the same time preserving one thats wasted and has no future… This. I've said before, I'm ok with the death penalty in theory, but not in practice. School shooters deserve to die. I have no problem with those outcomes, I'm not against the state killing the worst offenders. The problem occurs when you just don't trust the state to apply it fairly, and there is definitely no reason to trust the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I’m not even ok with the death penalty in theory. Committing acts of violence against a person who is no longer a threat is a real problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 My thought process is: The world is/would be better off with some people not in it The state cannot be trusted to decide who these people are The state can still achieve the same result by imprisoning these people They still can't be trusted to get this right, but at least there is a chance of reversal with imprisonment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I thought the entire plan was we just send them all to Australia and I’m not sure why we aren’t just doing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, stepee said: I thought the entire plan was we just send them all to Australia and I’m not sure why we aren’t just doing that. Bad news, over the last century we became the new Australia! They've become more progressive and we've gone all Christian Dundee! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 what about treason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Anathema- said: what about treason Wartime, you get the wall. I’m more lenient in times of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Florida also just passed legislation that allows the death penalty for pedophilia. So definitely some 8-4 votes to execute drag queens coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokra Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Jason said: Florida also just passed legislation that allows the death penalty for pedophilia. So definitely some 8-4 votes to execute drag queens coming. *does not apply to GOP representatives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BloodyHell Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 1:38 PM, Jason said: Florida also just passed legislation that allows the death penalty for pedophilia. So definitely some 8-4 votes to execute drag queens coming. Yeah, I don't much care about the lives of actual pedo's, I'd be fine just handing them over to families to deal with. Like seriously, I have no care for the life of an actual pedo. The problem is how this will be used makes it frightening. Florida is getting more fucked up by the month, but it's not hurting their popularity in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 hours ago, BloodyHell said: Yeah, I don't much care about the lives of actual pedo's, I'd be fine just handing them over to families to deal with. Like seriously, I have no care for the life of an actual pedo. The problem is how this will be used makes it frightening. Florida is getting more fucked up by the month, but it's not hurting their popularity in the state. But where do you draw the line for killing someone? Raping a child Masturbating to pictures of naked children Masturbating to drawings/cartoons of naked children Having desires about children, but not acting on them in any way And should we allow the state to draw that line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 5 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: But where do you draw the line for killing someone? It depends on which persona he's currently roleplaying as. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Jason said: It depends on which persona he's currently roleplaying as. Too much lore inconsistency these days. I think he forgets which one he's doing. It's felt like old apoc recently. Refocus! Straighten up the storyboards; you got this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 In before someone erases those comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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