TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Tennessee Becomes the First State to Pass a Ban on Drag Shows NEWREPUBLIC.COM The bill is so vaguely worded it could also target trans people and Pride celebrations generally. Quote The bill bans “male or female impersonators who provide entertainment that appeals to prurient interest,” meaning of a sexual nature, either in public or if there is a minor present. The language is vague and makes no distinction between drag performers and transgender people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Unfortunately, it won't be the last either. The ludicrous thing about this bill is that TN's pre-existing obscenity laws already carry these restrictions. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 So Tennessee just became less fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Free country amirite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 republicans want everyone to be as miserable as they are 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Aside from the obvious negative impacts, this will be pretty interesting to see get implemented. Nashville's gay district and the home of a multitude of drag brunch bars is only a few blocks from the State Capitol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, CayceG said: Aside from the obvious negative impacts, this will be pretty interesting to see get implemented. Nashville's gay district and the home of a multitude of drag brunch bars is only a few blocks from the State Capitol. When reading the article my first question was also how implementation will work. Just passing the bill sends a message, however. And I think we all know what that message is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 So another Supreme Court case incoming. This seems like it goes against the constitution for freely protesting in organized groups in a precession down city streets. That’s all the parade is, a right to protest against these religious assholes. As for when they do these sexual drag shows. . . there are ways around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 INSANE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 It's amazing how obsessed Republicans are with sexualizing trans people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, osxmatt said: It's amazing how obsessed Republicans are with sexualizing trans people. And yet, curiously, they won't ban child beauty pagents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: And yet, curiously, they won't ban child beauty pagents. where else would they find their future wives 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 aside from church that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, CayceG said: Aside from the obvious negative impacts, this will be pretty interesting to see get implemented. Nashville's gay district and the home of a multitude of drag brunch bars is only a few blocks from the State Capitol. My guess is 'implementation' isn't a concern. It's a desire to return to the days in which a squad of law enforcement officers could break into a club at their discretion to 'break up up the queers' and arrest whomever they want. To the days of the harassment and arrests involved in both the Cooper Do-Nuts events as well as Stonewall. Also like many vague bills like it that have come before, it's an excuse to grab trans people walking to work in front of an elementary school and have them arrested for 'Performing lewd acts in front of an elementary school' even though all they did was walk from place A to place B. These are known as 'Walking while trans' laws. They're laws that are intended to be vague in description while labeling trans individuals as sexual perverts since no one wants to defend someone labeled as a sexual predator by the law, even though the arrest had nothing to do with sexual or lewd acts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 If you actually wanted to stop grooming, you’d lock up all youth pastors. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: If you actually wanted to stop grooming, you’d lock up all youth pastors. The church my super fundamentalist aunt attends had their youth pastor raping a couple young girls about a decade ago. I think they were 10 and 12 at the time. He even did it in the church if I recall. His wife turned him in when she found a bunch of child porn on his computer. She doesn't like for me to bring up that "incident." Church changed its name not long after. edit: it hasn’t even been a decade. Tony Waller gets life in prison for rape WWW.KAIT8.COM Anthony "Tony" Waller will spend life in prison for two counts of rape. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 What would be a good organization to donate to that would specifically help people in Tennessee fight back against a state government that passes laws that are hate crimes in of themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, stepee said: What would be a good organization to donate to that would specifically help people in Tennessee fight back against a state government that passes laws that are hate crimes in of themselves? I will look into this and see if there is a best option for this. If the ACLU takes this on(Not sure if they've made a statement or not yet)I would recommend donating specifically to the Tennessee ACLU to make sure that money is directly impacting their fight. As great as the ACLU is, though, I always like to recommend activists more on the ground level. ACLU has a lot metric fuckton of money and lawyers, and it's people on the ground fighting in the streets that need money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, TheShader said: I will look into this and see if there is a best option for this. If the ACLU takes this on(Not sure if they've made a statement or not yet)I would recommend donating specifically to the Tennessee ACLU to make sure that money is directly impacting their fight. As great as the ACLU is, though, I always like to recommend activists more on the ground level. ACLU has a lot metric fuckton of money and lawyers, and it's people on the ground fighting in the streets that need money. The ACLU has said that they will legally challenge once it's signed into law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The ACLU has said that they will legally challenge once it's signed into law. Good to hear! I had no doubt they would, so I didn't keep up with it. They're picky about the fights they pick unless it comes to national news stuff like this. Then they tend to trip over themselves to get involved. I've worked with the ACLU, you get used to the organization's groupthink process after awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheShader said: I will look into this and see if there is a best option for this. If the ACLU takes this on(Not sure if they've made a statement or not yet)I would recommend donating specifically to the Tennessee ACLU to make sure that money is directly impacting their fight. As great as the ACLU is, though, I always like to recommend activists more on the ground level. ACLU has a lot metric fuckton of money and lawyers, and it's people on the ground fighting in the streets that need money. Appreciate it! Just made my donation to ACLU Tennessee. I just feel sickened by this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Seriously, fuck these assholes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, stepee said: Appreciate it! Just made my donation to ACLU Tennessee. I just feel sickened by this. 1k just went to the aclu from me as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 I've begun reaching out to local organizations in Tennessee to get a better handle on the local needs and fights of the LGBTQ communities across the state. I'll update here as I start hearing back and start getting a grasp on the ground level needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 The Trevor Project is also a worthy organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Trevor Project is also a worthy organization. I have a friend who lost his trans son to suicide and this is his organization of choice for donations. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I have a friend who lost his trans son to suicide and this is his organization of choice for donations. I'm sorry for the loss. It never gets easier, especially when it comes to trans people where it is oftentimes so preventable. A world that constantly debates your existence on a good day, and tries to legislate you out of existence on a bad day is a tough one to live in. It's something no one should be going through, and yet we lose countless sons, daughters, and children to suicide like this. I can't imagine what it's like to lose a child, but I imagine it stays with you forever. I hope your friend well in their healing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Terrible people make terrible laws. See the 12th century for details! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demut Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 So this is the actual text of the bill, right? Quote ( ) "Adult cabaret entertainment": (A) Means adult-oriented performances that are harmful to minors, as that term is defined in § 39-17-901, and that feature topless dancers, go-go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, male or female impersonators, or similar entertainers; and (B) Includes a single performance or multiple performances by an entertainer; ( ) "Entertainer" means a person who provides: (A) Entertainment within an adult-oriented establishment, regardless of whether a fee is charged or accepted for entertainment and regardless of whether entertainment is provided as an employee, escort as defined in § 7-51-1102, or an independent contractor; or (B) A performance of actual or simulated specified sexual activities, including removal of articles of clothing or appearing unclothed, regardless of whether a fee is charged or accepted for the performance and regardless of whether the performance is provided as an employee or an independent contractor; [...] (c) (1) It is an offense for a person to perform adult cabaret entertainment: (A) On public property; or (B) In a location where the adult cabaret entertainment could be viewed by a person who is not an adult. (2) Notwithstanding § 7-51-1406, this subsection (c) expressly: (A) Preempts an ordinance, regulation, restriction, or license that was lawfully adopted or issued by a political subdivision prior to the effective date of this act that is in conflict with this subsection (c); and (B) Prevents or preempts a political subdivision from enacting and enforcing in the future other ordinances, regulations, restrictions, or licenses that are in conflict with this subsection (c). (3) A first offense for a violation of subdivision (c)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor, and a second or subsequent such offense is a Class E felony. Maybe I'm missing something but how does that ban drag shows let alone constitute "a malicious attempt to remove LGBTQ people from public life" (as the quoted group in the article claims)? Now I'm no lawyer but I fail to understand the author's reasoning in the article concerning how this would criminalize gay parades for example, especially when you look up the crucial paragraph referenced in the very beginning. It's not just any and all "male or female impersonators" out and about in public that would violate this law from what I'm reading there. I also don't understand what's vague about it in context (i.e. within the rest of the law that this bill amends). On a side note, why is seemingly every other thing a felony in the U.S. (low level or not)? 6 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: She doesn't like for me to bring up that "incident." Huh, so a woman who found out that her husband is a pedophile and child rapist and subsequently reported him to the police doesn't like you bringing that up with her? How unusual. You'd think she'd enjoy talking about that fond memory of this lovely human all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Demut said: Huh, so a woman who found out that her husband is a pedophile and child rapist and had to report him to the police doesn't like you bringing that up with her? How unusual. You'd think she'd love to talk about it all day long. I'm talking about my aunt, you dingus. JFC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demut Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Ah, that makes so much more sense. My bad. Still, same question: Why would your aunt want you to talk about her former pedophile child rapist pastor? Is that kind of topic something you think people enjoy discussing? Seems perfectly natural to me that she dislikes you bringing it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 4 hours ago, TheShader said: I'm sorry for the loss. It never gets easier, especially when it comes to trans people where it is oftentimes so preventable. A world that constantly debates your existence on a good day, and tries to legislate you out of existence on a bad day is a tough one to live in. It's something no one should be going through, and yet we lose countless sons, daughters, and children to suicide like this. I can't imagine what it's like to lose a child, but I imagine it stays with you forever. I hope your friend well in their healing. He talks about it a lot, usually in posts where he's advocating for trans rights and such. It's been a good therapy for him to throw himself into activism. He even acknowledges that years before, though he backed gay rights, he thought the concept of transgender was bullshit. It changed before his son came out and he was a super supportive dad from that point forward. His ex-wife...not so much. It'll be a lifelong pain for him, but I'm glad he's become so involved with the community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Demut said: Ah, that makes so much more sense. My bad. Still, same question: Why would your aunt want you to talk about her former pedophile child rapist pastor? Is that kind of topic something you think people enjoy discussing? Seems perfectly natural to me that she dislikes you bringing it up. Yes, I make it a topic of conversation on the regular. Let me break it down for you. My aunt is a loud and proud fundamentalist. She really really doesn't like LGBTQ people. She buys into the notion that they're abominations and predators. She doesn't like it when you point out that the youth pastor at her church is now serving life without parole for child rape when she's talking about the evils of the gays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Fucking hell whoever originally said that there were no stupid questions needs to answer for this shit. Could you please answers these 50 fucking questions? Jesus christ seriously it’s so transparent and lame. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demut Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Yes, I make it a topic of conversation on the regular. I mean maybe that's just me being ESL but your original sentence sounded to me like you did so on more than one occasion. Is that false? Anyway, that added context you just provided would've clarified all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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