SuperSpreader Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Comet said: I love shitting on Catholics as much as anyone, but this isn’t really a Catholic led movement is it? They started it, evangelicals we're neutral on abortion until the 70s-ish when they teamed up, it's an alliance over abortion and that's why you don't have Evangelical/Catholic hate crime anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Forget just banning things like the morning after pill, remember in various cases many of these same Justices basically said it doesn't matter if a type of contraception is an "abortiofantic" or whatever the hell the word for it is. All that matters is basically what the sincerely held religious belief of whoever is trying to ban them feels they are. When I connect those dots I realized the future probably isn't overturning Griswald, it's going to be a replay of the abortion fight. Death by a thousand cuts with this court giving the greenlight to essentially whatever states want to do. Then maybe they'll overturn Griswald when it's a dead letter(because they've made it one). One of the many trolls that Alito pulled in his ruling is in how he tried to justify overturning Casey despite precedent. One of the previous bars for overturning precedent is if a law has become "unworkable". Roe isn't unworkable because it's tests are pretty simple. But there is an argument that Casey is "unworkable" because of the vague "undue burden" language(which itself was already a conservative compromise to scale back Roe!). But the troll comes in that the unworkability is all from trap law bullshit that conservatives themselves passed over the past 20 years. So yet again they create the problem and then act aggrieved that anyone could blame them for it(remember when Trump tried to say he fired Comey for the misconduct of treating Hillary badly?) Depending on how useful of a tool contraception becomes as their new battleground I can absolutely see the same thing happening with Griswald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 48 minutes ago, Comet said: I love shitting on Catholics as much as anyone, but this isn’t really a Catholic led movement is it? Yeah, while the church itself is against these things, Catholics as a group tend to care far, far less than evangelicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Of course he works for the NYTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Of course he works for the NYTs. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Anyone else really struggling with severe depression since this news came out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Yep 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Uaarkson said: Anyone else really struggling with severe depression since this news came out? No, but it has pushed me closer toward not having children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chris- said: No, but it has pushed me closer toward not having children. this just re-enforced me not wanting them in general even more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Uaarkson said: Anyone else really struggling with severe depression since this news came out? I've mostly been angry. And I'm one of the lucky ones who can just fly to another state and get an abortion if I need one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Yeah, while the church itself is against these things, Catholics as a group tend to care far, far less than evangelicals. The US Church is a pretty conservative place. I imagine it's in part due to having to counter evangelicals and the like. My 3rd grade school teacher who is a nun is 1000000000% Repub and MAGA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Uaarkson said: Anyone else really struggling with severe depression since this news came out? How would I notice? I have pretty much been a fairly consistent level of dead inside since 2016. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Decision doesn’t affect me and won’t affect my family but it makes me angry for the less fortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe said: Decision doesn’t affect me and won’t affect my family but it makes me angry for the less fortunate. It's gonna affect all of us once King Donald I signs the national abortion ban in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 7 hours ago, Uaarkson said: Anyone else really struggling with severe depression since this news came out? I've been struggling with that since 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 🫠 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chairslinger Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: "Look at those protesters out there looking like they want to storm the building. What do they think this is, Congress?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: "Look at those protesters out there looking like they want to storm the building. What do they think this is, Congress?" Just salt of the earth working class joes concerned about electoral integrity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 11 hours ago, SuperSpreader said: After pills it's condoms. Catholics view all contraception as an abortion-lite. If I understand and remember Roman Catholicism, contraception and masturbation are on the same list of grave sins as abortion and murder. Not going to mass on a day of obligation is also on there. Keep in mind being on this list coupled with another two conditions makes such acts a mortal sin, as in if you don’t get to confession before you die, you’re going to hell, not purgatory. Not many people in the pews believe this stuff but it’s there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I don't have anything intelligent to add to this conversation, but I do see an opportunity to post one of my favorite Monty Python bits. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: If I understand and remember Roman Catholicism, contraception and masturbation are on the same list of grave sins as abortion and murder. Not going to mass on a day of obligation is also on there. Keep in mind being on this list coupled with another two conditions makes such acts a mortal sin, as in if you don’t get to confession before you die, you’re going to hell, not purgatory. Not many people in the pews believe this stuff but it’s there. All those homunculi down the drain or into tissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: All those homunculi down the drain or into tissues. Did you get that from the section of Alito's opinion where he approvingly quoted the 17th century lawyer that also burned witches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 11 hours ago, Massdriver said: If I understand and remember Roman Catholicism, contraception and masturbation are on the same list of grave sins as abortion and murder. Not going to mass on a day of obligation is also on there. Keep in mind being on this list coupled with another two conditions makes such acts a mortal sin, as in if you don’t get to confession before you die, you’re going to hell, not purgatory. Not many people in the pews believe this stuff but it’s there. And of course, molesting kids wasn’t considered ANY type of sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stepee Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: She does have the second part right actually it’s just none of the other factors has to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 13 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Just salt of the earth working class joes concerned about electoral integrity How is a bottle of wine worth over 5 grand? Is it actually the blood of Christ?! That better be the best tasting wine in the history of alcoholic grape juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Brick said: That better be the best tasting wine in the history of alcoholic grape juice. Narrator: It wasn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Clarence Thomas being allowed to remain on the bench after his wife aided a coup attempt is fucking bananas and I hope they fall into an open manhole cover and their progeny never learn how to read. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 After the leaked Roe opinion, Justice Thomas says the Supreme Court can't be 'bullied' WWW.NPR.ORG Chief Justice John Roberts, speaking at the same judicial conference as Thomas, called the leak of a draft opinion striking down Roe v. Wade earlier this week "absolutely appalling." I guess he's right, the Supreme Court can't be bullied, they're the one branch of government who isn't really accountable to anyone. They can lie in their confirmation and it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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5timechamp Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Oof, this upcoming Trump administration is going to make us long for the “good old days” of his first administration… I expect that if Donald cant force a 3rd term (maybe old age finally kills him), I expect the brand to remain strong with junior.. Many dark days ahead, the seeds of his first administration are about to bear fruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 13 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: My mother was 14 when she got pregnant with me and I was born just shy of her 15th birthday. Roe was already established at that point and if she wanted, she could have aborted me but she didn't. I'm glad she didn't because I wouldn't be here otherwise, but I'm also glad the decision was ultimately up to her. Fuck this person. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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