Massdriver Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 This is a relief. Hopefully we don't have any insane surprises. The gap seems wide enough to be meaningful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Really glad they have translators in this for people like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 From the sounds of it, Macros just destroyed Le Pen on the Russia question, bringing up her loans from Russian banks (that she was unable to justify or defend). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Even if Macron wins, after Trump and Hillary it's hard not to see even elections like this as a type of pyrrhic victory. Because it seems like even if people are making the right choice now they are doing it grudgingly because most seem to agree Macron is a blah choice, but blah is better the Nazi Lite, or whatever. And after enough elections where you vote like that, you wind up with Trump/Hillary. Where people are tired of making the "right" decision just because the alternative is horrible and they just want to throw a live grenade into the whole system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 lmao 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 That’s a healthy margin, albeit still depressingly closer than it has any right to be. Fuck you Le Pen, fuck you Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Who’s the Cougar? Madam Macron or Le Pen??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Does LePen go full stolen election or does the European version of fascism find that too gouache? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Does LePen go full stolen election or does the European version of fascism find that too gouache? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I guess this means France is no longer resisting the woke invasion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 France's elections for the National Assembly are in June and it's widely-expected that's where the French Left will be making a serious push to capture enough of the chamber to blunt Macron's power when it comes to domestic policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Classic NYT captured opposition energy. Can't wait for takes like "the numbers say that Macron won, but in this small-town Iowa diner, real Americans think that the night belonged to Le Pen." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 “The right wing lost big in France, here’s how it imperils the Biden presidency” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I mean, I can understand the angle that it's notable that the Overton window has shifted so much that a person like Le Pen even got that close. However, it seems like the time for that has long past. Trump won, the world is already mad, and Le Pen actually didn't better her previous performance, right? So even that type of hand wringing doesn't fit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: I mean, I can understand the angle that it's notable that the Overton window has shifted so much that a person like Le Pen even got that close. However, it seems like the time for that has long past. Trump won, the world is already mad, and Le Pen actually didn't better her previous performance, right? So even that type of hand wringing doesn't fit here. It was in fact a tighter margin than last time. I've seen it suggested it's because of the incumbency disadvantage French presidents face though, the last time an incumbent got reelected was 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Chairslinger said: I mean, I can understand the angle that it's notable that the Overton window has shifted so much that a person like Le Pen even got that close. However, it seems like the time for that has long past. Trump won, the world is already mad, and Le Pen actually didn't better her previous performance, right? So even that type of hand wringing doesn't fit here. It seems less that and most dissatisfaction with Macron and Le Pen massively sanitizing her party to appear sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 It is very funny that le pen won a department that is 97% Muslim though (because of illegal immigration though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It is very funny that le pen won a department that is 97% Muslim though (because of illegal immigration though) Germans and French trying to tell off Americans for our racist immigration system is always a good wholesome lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 At least part of the world is still somewhat sane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 LePen absolutely crushed Macron in the French overseas departments which are "majority minority": French election: why did Le Pen do so well in overseas territories? | French presidential election 2022 | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Analysis: Far-right candidate finished far ahead of Emmanuel Macron in Guadeloupe, Martinique and Réunion It's worth nothing that the left-wing candidate Melenchon won those departments in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 12 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It is very funny that le pen won a department that is 97% Muslim though (because of illegal immigration though) That's an overseas department, not one located within France itself. The majority population of Mayotte is GENUINELY African-Muslim and not simply due to illegal immigration from the Comoros Islands. These articles explain further why LePen's message resonated there specifically: Marine Le Pen is winning the French election in a majority Muslim island in the Indian Ocean INEWS.CO.UK The voters of Mayotte, located between Madagascar and Mozambique, have concerns about immigration that appear to trump the candidate's scepticism of Islam Why Marine Le Pen's far-right political agenda has taken hold in French Mayotte WWW.FRANCE24.COM French far-right leader Marine Le Pen registered her highest score in the first round of the 2022 presidential election in the overseas French department of Mayotte, an Indian Ocean archipelago locat… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That's an overseas department, not one located within France itself. The majority population of Mayotte is GENUINELY African-Muslim and not simply due to illegal immigration from the Comoros Islands. This article explains further why LePen's message resonated there specifically: Why Marine Le Pen's far-right political agenda has taken hold in French Mayotte WWW.FRANCE24.COM French far-right leader Marine Le Pen registered her highest score in the first round of the 2022 presidential election in the overseas French department of Mayotte, an Indian Ocean archipelago locat… It’s interesting to also note that as poor as it is, it’s still much wealthier than neighboring areas making it a ripe target for illegal immigration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: France's elections for the National Assembly are in June and it's widely-expected that's where the French Left will be making a serious push to capture enough of the chamber to blunt Macron's power when it comes to domestic policy. Macron set to name France’s next PM as focus moves to legislative elections | France | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Jean Castex’s decision to resign allows president to choose new team amid a changed political landscape Quote Mélenchon, who narrowly missed beating Le Pen in the first round of the presidential election, has called for voters to make him prime minister via the legislative elections on 12 and 19 June. Members of Mélenchon’s party, La France Insoumise (LFI), have been holding “negotiations” with their counterparts at the Ecology-Green and the Communist parties with a view to joining forces in constituencies where a leftwing alliance could win enough seats to give them control of Assemblée Nationale, the lower house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Every time I think of Le Pen/Macron, I think of that former member here who was a racist and far-right who said he was looking forward in 2017 to another far-right victory with Le Pen, putting it on his "top shelf." Hope he didn't get too excited this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 In the first round of the legislative elections, Macron's center-right alliance (Ensemble) and a left-wing alliance (NUPES) effectively tied: As for the second round, this is what a ResetERA poster said: Quote Ensemble and NUPES are basically neck and neck, each getting around 26% of the vote and having around 400 candidates qualified for the 2nd round. Both are unlikely to get a clear majority (289 seats), which is a huge defeat for Macron. Marine Le Pen's RN party is mathematically unable to form a majority, so its electors are ironically kingmakers in this new duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 So what happens next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So what happens next? Because neither Ensemble nor NUPES is likely to get a majority in the second round, there will have to be deal-making with the smaller parties to form a government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Oh I thought it was more voting like in the presidential election. Boring parliamentary coalition building! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 heaven forbid the left work with the center left .. and while I'm here this verbal formulation of left to right for political preferences is strained past the limit imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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