PaladinSolo Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jason said: I don't see her ever running as an independent, but just to get on the debate stage and poke desantis and Trump in the eye, not that it'd matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 …Honestly I’m more annoyed that Biden or Kamala might be the presidential hopefuls for the election.. 1 already gives the too old vibe and the other isnt exactly a clean brand… Another Barrack Obama isnt walking through the door anytime soon but it sure would be nice to vote for a candidate for their merits as opposed to “its better than voting for….” Not to downplay that President Biden isnt filling an important role after Agent Orange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, 5timechamp said: …Honestly I’m more annoyed that Biden or Kamala might be the presidential hopefuls for the election.. 1 already gives the too old vibe and the other isnt exactly a clean brand… Another Barrack Obama isnt walking through the door anytime soon but it sure would be nice to vote for a candidate for their merits as opposed to “its better than voting for….” Not to downplay that President Biden isnt filling an important role after Agent Orange tbh, this is one of the most effective first couple years I've seen of a president in my admittedly short lifetime. If you had told me 10 years ago that Biden would aim to be more ambitious than the person he served under, I would have lol'd. Not everything he proposed got done with the current slim majorities, but someone would have to make a hell of a detailed argument how a president who had the slimmest majorities anyone's had in decades got as much through the gate as he did. I'd like somebody younger, but they need to have the same effectiveness of Diamond Joe. And since Biden-Harris is what we have right now, I'm hoping to give them bigger majorities next year so we can build off these first two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Barack Obama was an okay president I don't know what exactly he did that we're missing in other politicians. Why do we need to wait for another Obama? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Barack Obama was an okay president I don't know what exactly he did that we're missing in other politicians. Why do we need to wait for another Obama? Have skin pigmentation. The fucking nerve of that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Have skin pigmentation. The fucking nerve of that guy. It's hard to admit for many it but it's plain that this was a large part of his appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: It's hard to admit for many it but it's plain that this was a large part of his appeal. It was central to his appeal with some voters and central to the virulent hate experienced from the rest. Separate all that out and he was…okay? But also a war criminal sort of? Obama is a tougher cookie to crack than most give him credit for. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, Anathema- said: It's hard to admit for many it but it's plain that this was a large part of his appeal. Also not admitted out loud too much that it was part of his non-appeal for many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: It was central to his appeal with some voters and central to the virulent hate experienced from the rest. Separate all that out and he was…okay? But also a war criminal sort of? Obama is a tougher cookie to crack than most give him credit for. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I think he meant another Barack Obama as in someone very exciting who can command rallies and get people out to register and vote. He was excellent at retail politics and speaking to voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: I think he meant another Barack Obama as in someone very exciting who can command rallies and get people out to register and vote. He was excellent at retail politics and speaking to voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Biden is more popular now than Reagan was at this point in his presidency polls only matter for the midterms but there’sa disconnect with Bidens approval and congressional dem approval and the generic ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jason said: Let him be a Senator before pushing him for a 2024 presidential run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Christ people is going to be Biden unless he’s dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Christ people is going to be Biden unless he’s dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: I’d still vote for that over literally any Republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: I think he meant another Barack Obama as in someone very exciting who can command rallies and get people out to register and vote. He was excellent at retail politics and speaking to voters. yup, the appeal of the man went beyond pigmentation… He could have been Kang or Kodos for all I care as long he could present himself and articulate as he did… Was he a truly effective President, perhaps not as much as we wanted or as much as he promised…. At the same time you have to acknowledge how much turtle McConnell worked to limit what he could accomplish.. hell they went so far as to start the chain of stolen SCOTUS seats (come on Garland karma!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Christ people is going to be Biden unless he’s dead AOC 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Remarkableriots said: AOC 2024? No. I like her but I would rather her not run for goddamn president there’s more than one office in this country where we need good officials 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 15 hours ago, Uaarkson said: It was central to his appeal with some voters and central to the virulent hate experienced from the rest. Separate all that out and he was…okay? But also a war criminal sort of? Obama is a tougher cookie to crack than most give him credit for. McCain would have been worse, but Obama’s biggest flaw is that he didn’t lean harder into the pro-labor, anti-finance ethos that Roosevelt parlayed into the New Deal. He had an opportunity to crush the post-Bretton Woods colonization of politics by finance, and remake the political landscape, but he was hostage to the delusion that he could do it by playing nice with the politicians already in finance’s pockets—when in reality he needed to take the pain of victims of the ‘08 Lesser Depression and beat those corrupt stooges over the head with it until they agreed to get back on the side of ‘working folk’. Of course, he’d have to contradict the tone of his whole campaign—but as Trump has demonstrated, total rhetorical contradiction just doesn’t matter to most people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Obama should have locked up the criminal Bush administration. Instead, Republicans learned that they can get away doing whatever the fuck they want to do, and now we have all this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Counterpoint: it’s Wyoming and it shouldn’t even be a state. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeneticBlueprint Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jason said: I concur with these replies. Unless Kari is fixing to vacuum for Katie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Yeah I don't trust debate moderators. Too many radical centrists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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