Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Why? IMHO, they are/were both equally terrible. In a free country, it should be the actions of the protestors that is more important rather than some moral judgement of the worthiness of their cause. FWIW, I don't see any moral justification to block a railway in support of a dispute about a natural gas pipeline that is 5,000 km away. Spoken like a true first-world "liberal" white dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: In a free country, it should be the actions of the protestors that is more important rather than some moral judgement of the worthiness of their cause. Nah, the morality and worthiness of a cause has definite importance. Someone blocking highways to stop slavery is doing a better thing than someone blocking highways demanding we move from two-ply TP to one-play as a nation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Spoken like a true first-world "liberal" white dude! Yes. I am "liberal" in the traditional sense, not in the sense it is now commonly used in the United States (and more-and-more in Canada due to media bleed-over). 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Nah, the morality and worthiness of a cause has definite importance. Someone blocking highways to stop slavery is doing a better thing than someone blocking highways demanding we move from two-ply TP to one-play as a nation. Morality is subjective. The whole concept of having a constitution that allows peaceful protest, etc. is that law enforcement should be blind to the cause. Otherwise, you can't have a free country. Having the ability of a minority freely express their POV, no matter how inane, is part of what makes a democracy like Canada function. I think we probably have a very different POV on the validity of the 2020 train blockade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO - someone hacked the City of Ottawa's Planning Committee's YouTube feed: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 And it appears that $omone had a little conversation with the CPC's interim leader: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Jesus Christ just tear gas them all. Smoke them out. Pretend they're black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, SuperSpreader said: Pretend they're black. It's Canada so the correct group is "indigenous" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's Canada so the correct group is "indigenous" To be fair, the last time that kind of intervention happened was more than 30 years ago. (And the fallout of the Oka crisis has governed Canadian police interactions with blockades/protests since.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: To be fair, the last time that kind of intervention happened was more than 30 years ago. (And the fallout of the Oka crisis has governed Canadian police interactions with blockades/protests since.) lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 The Oka Crisis was an important moment in Canadian history. It's probably best-known for this image: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Ford and Bergen 100% want nothing to happen so that Trudeau is forced to act alone (and then take the fallout if things go wrong): If this ends with RCMP/military clearing things out successfully, then Ford and Bertan (and Kenny, Moe, etc) will say "Trudeau silenced people with legitimate grievances!" And if it ends with violence or deaths, they will say "Trudeau is just like his father, and we need to remove him to bring stability to the country!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 When only one part of government (federal) actually wants it to end...how do you accomplish that? Local police in almost every jurisdiction are pretty clearly sympathetic to protestors, and provincial conservative governments (where all the blockades are happening) are also sympathetic. Imagine if Texas militia closed the Mexican border and Abbot said he supported them. What would be Biden's best move? I think this ends with military action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 This is it, 100%. The protest is about deposing Trudeau, and Ford, Kenney, Bergen, Moe, etc all agree with that, and would accept it at the cost of national instability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 To be clear, I think this ends with Trudeau invoking the Emergencies Act and deploying armed forces to clear out the border positions (while leaving them at Parliament Hill). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I think this ends with military action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: To be clear, I think this ends with Trudeau invoking the Emergencies Act and deploying armed forces to clear out the border positions (while leaving them at Parliament Hill). Biden should make a phone call to Pierre with the message, "Either you clear out the border blockades or we will." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Biden should make a phone call to Pierre with the message, "Either you clear out the border blockades or we will." Wait Biden can talk to the dead?!?!?! Ford making it clear that he's willing to let the Ontario economy collapse if it means hurting Trudeau: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Wait Biden can talk to the dead?!?!?! Ford making it clear that he's willing to let the Ontario economy collapse if it means hurting Trudeau: WHOOPS! I mixed up the idiot son with his VASTLY more competent father! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Wait Biden can talk to the dead?!?!?! Ford making it clear that he's willing to let the Ontario economy collapse if it means hurting Trudeau: Oh so they’re learning from republicans aacab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 The idea that Canadians don't trust the media is...just wrong. These protestors are living in their own world: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Quote The idea that there's widespread distrust of Canadian news media is routinely asserted on Twitter. This is pretty much the identical situation as the notion that Bernie Sanders could win a national election 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 This is basically true on almost any issue: What is the ratio in US politics on most issues? 50-50? 60-40? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: This is basically true on almost any issue: What is the ratio in US politics on most issues? 50-50? 60-40? 57-43 on most nearly any issue but the 43 Have disproportionate influence due to our federal system being absolute shit. That’s on issues but partisanship and changing priorities brings electoral politics on a national level to 49-47 with the balance being cranks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 More cops arrive to stand around and collect OT: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Neat they are swearing in a militia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: This is basically true on almost any issue: What is the ratio in US politics on most issues? 50-50? 60-40? About 60/40. I think that fricking unshakable 40% approval rating Trump had is pretty indicative of the landscape. The GOP wins by juicing that up to about 45% on election day and lets voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc do the rest. For instance, Trump won with 46% in '16 with that base plus people that were essentially voting no on Hillary(or the "establishment" in general). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 At this point if a level of government isn't contributing to ending this, then the only conclusion is that they want the problem to continue and escalate: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Lady, the "mainstream" GOP could've told you this a little over a year ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 In any event, I've got a whole bunch of dead batteries that are just waiting to be "deployed" if/when a similar event happens in the DC area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I’m mad we just added the sicko emoji because I was thinking we really need an emoji for when we are laughing AT someone. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_MH Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: When only one part of government (federal) actually wants it to end...how do you accomplish that? Local police in almost every jurisdiction are pretty clearly sympathetic to protestors, and provincial conservative governments (where all the blockades are happening) are also sympathetic. Imagine if Texas militia closed the Mexican border and Abbot said he supported them. What would be Biden's best move? I think this ends with military action. That's totally going to happen, isn't it? A part of me thinks American conservatives are more OK with this instance since they don't really care about any Canadian economic ramifications, while Abbot might not be as willing to strangle his own economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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