Canadian Insurrection | UPDATE - Oversight commission rules invocation of Emergency Act by Trudeau was warranted

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

In any case, there is no way in hell that Justin is even remotely cool enough to be Fidel's or Pierre's son.

 

Margaret must've had a drunken one-night stand with some nerd loser with Justin being the result of that truly unfortunate tryst.

[Ghost_MH]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Yes.  Trudeau is less interested in doing what's best for the country and more interested in political maneuvering.  Ford literally has no military resources to deploy, Trudeau does (and Trudeau has the authority in the defence act to do so).

 

I wish the son was more like the father:

 

 

 

It's political posturing from both sides. Ford could request help giving Trudeau political cover to send in the military, but he won't. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Ford just declared a "state of emergency" for Ontario.

 

Trucker protests: Ontario calls state of emergency

WWW.BBC.COM

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford called on protesters to 'go home' and end the 'illegal occupation'.

 

[CitizenVectron]

For clarification—Trudeau can't invoke the Emergencies Act without a request from the province the emergency is happening in. This is different from the predecessor War Measures Act. The request needs to come from Ford. Ideally the military shouldn't be the first force to try and remove these people, it should be police.

[Jason]

[AbsolutSurgen]

13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

For clarification—Trudeau can't invoke the Emergencies Act without a request from the province the emergency is happening in. This is different from the predecessor War Measures Act. The request needs to come from Ford. Ideally the military shouldn't be the first force to try and remove these people, it should be police.

Under the National Defence Act 273.6, there is no requirement for a request from Ford.  Section 274 deals with how to deal with a request from a Province.

 

273.6 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council or the Minister may authorize the Canadian Forces to perform any duty involving public service.

Marginal note:Law enforcement assistance

(2) The Governor in Council, or the Minister on the request of the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness or any other Minister, may issue directions authorizing the Canadian Forces to provide assistance in respect of any law enforcement matter if the Governor in Council or the Minister, as the case may be, considers that

(a) the assistance is in the national interest; and

(b) the matter cannot be effectively dealt with except with the assistance of the Canadian Forces.

Marginal note:Exception

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply in respect of assistance that is of a minor nature and limited to logistical, technical or administrative support.

Marginal note:Restriction

(4) The authority of the Minister under this section is subject to any directions issued by the Governor in Council.

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

Of course, Liberal staffers have continually peppered social media with section 274, while conveniently ignoring the existence of section 273.6.

[CitizenVectron]

16 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Under the National Defence Act 273.6, there is no requirement for a request from Ford.  Section 274 deals with how to deal with a request from a Province.

 

273.6 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council or the Minister may authorize the Canadian Forces to perform any duty involving public service.

Marginal note:Law enforcement assistance

(2) The Governor in Council, or the Minister on the request of the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness or any other Minister, may issue directions authorizing the Canadian Forces to provide assistance in respect of any law enforcement matter if the Governor in Council or the Minister, as the case may be, considers that

(a) the assistance is in the national interest; and

(b) the matter cannot be effectively dealt with except with the assistance of the Canadian Forces.

Marginal note:Exception

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply in respect of assistance that is of a minor nature and limited to logistical, technical or administrative support.

Marginal note:Restriction

(4) The authority of the Minister under this section is subject to any directions issued by the Governor in Council.

 

 

These are two different acts were are talking about. Emergencies Act gives the federal government power to direct military forces within Canada, the National Defence Act section you describe allows the government to deploy the military to assist. As I've understood it, the government would not be directing forces in that case.

 

Regardless, as I've said, it is a mistake for the federal government to deploy military forces within Canada against the will of provinces. Ontario needs to escalate this up.

[CitizenVectron]

Hmm, the reason Ford couldn't attend those emergency three-way meetings with cities and the federal government was...because he was vacationing?

 

 

Ontario Premier Doug Ford was in Muskoka area as Ottawa dealt with escalating convoy protests

TORONTO.CTVNEWS.CA

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As the City of Ottawa prepared for a state of emergency, amid what police services in the region believed was an “insurrection” by "Freedom Convoy" protesters, Ontario’s Premier Doug Ford was spotted on a snowmobile trail in the Muskoka area.

 

[CitizenVectron]

 

[CitizenVectron]

 

EDIT - I think twitter embedding is broken right now across the internet. Here is a screenshot:

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

These are two different acts were are talking about. Emergencies Act gives the federal government power to direct military forces within Canada, the National Defence Act section you describe allows the government to deploy the military to assist. As I've understood it, the government would not be directing forces in that case.

 

Regardless, as I've said, it is a mistake for the federal government to deploy military forces within Canada against the will of provinces. Ontario needs to escalate this up.

Declaration of a Public Order Emergency

Marginal note:Declaration of a public order emergency

• 17 (1) When the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, that a public order emergency exists and necessitates the taking of special temporary measures for dealing with the emergency, the Governor in Council, after such consultation as is required by section 25, may, by proclamation, so declare.

• Marginal note:Contents

  (2) A declaration of a public order emergency shall specify

  • (a) concisely the state of affairs constituting the emergency;

  • (b) the special temporary measures that the Governor in Council anticipates may be necessary for dealing with the emergency; and

  • (c) if the effects of the emergency do not extend to the whole of Canada, the area of Canada to which the effects of the emergency extend.

Marginal note:Effective date

• 18 (1) A declaration of a public order emergency is effective on the day on which it is issued, but a motion for confirmation of the declaration shall be laid before each House of Parliament and be considered in accordance with section 58.

• Marginal note:Expiration of declaration

  (2) A declaration of a public order emergency expires at the end of thirty days unless the declaration is previously revoked or continued in accordance with this Act.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

WE'VE GOT DRONES AND WE'RE JUST ITCHIN' TO USE 'EM ON NORTH AMERICAN TERRITORY!

[CitizenVectron]

lol

 

Conservative minister in Ontario says Ontario will act because Trudeau refuses to do so:

 

 

Despite the fact that the federal government shouldn't be acting without permission from Ontario...and has been asking Ontario to grant that permission all week:

 

 

 

As I've said before, this entire thing is an exercise by conservative parties and groups in Canada to push the nation to the brink of disaster hoping that Trudeau will get the blame. They've been dogwhistling these groups for 1-2 years and egging them on, and don't want to stop the train until Trudeau is hurt.

[ThreePi]

15 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

lol

 

Conservative minister in Ontario says Ontario will act because Trudeau refuses to do so:

 

 

Despite the fact that the federal government shouldn't be acting without permission from Ontario...and has been asking Ontario to grant that permission all week:

 

 

 

As I've said before, this entire thing is an exercise by conservative parties and groups in Canada to push the nation to the brink of disaster hoping that Trudeau will get the blame. They've been dogwhistling these groups for 1-2 years and egging them on, and don't want to stop the train until Trudeau is hurt.

 

This is the left's problem of being completely inept at controlling the narrative. Trudeau should have been constantly harping on Ford to do something while constantly reminding people that if Ford does nothing he'll step in.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

5 minutes ago, ThreePi said:

This is the left's problem of being completely inept at controlling the narrative. Trudeau should have been constantly harping on Ford to do something while constantly reminding people that if Ford does nothing he'll step in.

 

Once again, that's because "liberals" (ESPECIALLY Justin TruD'oh) are incredibly dumb.

[Guest]

me, everytime I click on this thread

[Jason]

38 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

WE'VE GOT DRONES AND WE'RE JUST ITCHIN' TO USE 'EM ON NORTH AMERICAN TERRITORY!

 

I hear there's empty beds at Gitmo. 

[AbsolutSurgen]

25 minutes ago, ThreePi said:

 

This is the left's problem of being completely inept at controlling the narrative. Trudeau should have been constantly harping on Ford to do something while constantly reminding people that if Ford does nothing he'll step in.

What would he say Ford should do?

[CitizenVectron]

 

[SuperSpreader]

Use the gas! Use the gas! 

[CitizenVectron]

 

[Kal-El814]

No jobs, jabs.

[mclumber1]

10 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

No jobs, jabs.

 

Der turk er jabs!

[Jason]

6 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

Der turk er jabs!

 

DERKAJERBS

[CitizenVectron]

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

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But Bricker said it’s less about partisanship and more about generation and social class.

Those aged 18 to 34 who sympathize with the truck convoy protesters are at 61 per cent, while those aged 35 to 54 are 44 per cent and those 55 and older are much less likely to agree, and are at 37 per cent.

“What we’re seeing in the numbers is that it’s younger people who are most interested in the message of the people who are occupying downtown Ottawa…so their belief in all of this is that this is less about the politics and more about genuine suffering that’s taking place among a group of the population that they can sympathize with,” Bricker said.

He added that as far as politics are concerned, there isn’t “unanimity in any political party at the moment.”

[Air_Delivery]

The attempt to control narrative here is pretty damn funny.

 

@AbsolutSurgenWhat do you expect the insurrectionists would accept to stand down? Cause it isn't vaccinations as even if Canada gets rid of their requirement the US still has theirs.

 

It seems to me at this point the only thing they would accept is for them to install a fascist government "of freedom"

I think this just a broader problem of conservatives not knowing how to handle any kind of hardship. COVID sucks so they are looking to blame someone and who better than the party actually trying to do something about it. 

[ThreePi]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

What would he say Ford should do?

 

The point isn't giving him a specific direction. Just that it's technically his responsibility to resolve and if he can't, then Trudeau and the federal government should step in.

[Air_Delivery]

5 minutes ago, ThreePi said:

 

The point isn't giving him a specific direction. Just that it's technically his responsibility to resolve and if he can't, then Trudeau and the federal government should step in.

Modern conservatism in a nutshell. Their entire platform is based on shifting blame while not even pretending to govern. 

[Jason]

46 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

Modern conservatism in a nutshell. Their entire platform is based on shifting blame while not even pretending to govern. 

 

As I've said before, if you're 100% convinced that government is dysfunctional and is going to screw you no matter what, there's a certain amount of logic in voting for the people who will at least own the libs harder than they'll screw you.

[CitizenVectron]

 

[CitizenVectron]

Basically, as of 7pm tonight there is a court order to remove anyone stopping traffic flow across the Ambassador Bridge. 

[CitizenVectron]

France definitely has more familiarity with protests:

 

 

[CitizenVectron]