marioandsonic Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I know at PAX Unplugges last year, there wasn't even a metal detector or bag check. It's not just small events. I know EVO had metal detectors and security guards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The courthouse in here in Vista has metal detectors with guards and a big long conveyor belt. It's like going to the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 We have probably 70 cameras at my job and only around 10 actually work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 So I guess the narrative is white, liberal, millennial couldn’t handle losing because the democrats/Obama have pussified the country. MAGA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Meanwhile... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jason said: Meanwhile... It's what real America cares about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I really appreciate the President's twitter thread on the Jacksonville shooting. Although some of you may not agree with his politics, he truly showed a lot of heart and courage in the series of tweets regarding the dead and the survivors of the horrific event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I really appreciate the President's twitter thread on the Jacksonville shooting. Although some of you may not agree with his politics, he truly showed a lot of heart and courage in the series of tweets regarding the dead and the survivors of the horrific event. Probably his best work so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckFly Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Probably his best work so far! On a day like today I feel like a f***ing idiot for starting a thread last week complaining about my xbox wifi. Man, the things we perseverate over is ridiculous. Time to refocus, again, on what's important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 16 hours ago, hiawa23 said: I have never been to one, but I assume if this was sponsored by EA, they would have some sort of security to protect their interests. lol all this talk about security. Bless your stupid country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: oops That was over a year ago, so there's no "oops". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They haven’t deleted it yet also, the entire franchise is an oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckFly Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: They haven’t deleted it yet I just tweeted the Bills to take it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I'm saving that tweet just as an archive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 This guy was a resident of Maryland from what I understand. If that is the case, for one to legally buy or own a pistol, you have to undergo a background check and complete a gun safety course. Upon successful completion of the bgc and safety course, the state may then issue a handgun qualification license, which will then allow you to buy, transfer, or possess a pistol. I'm pretty sure you have to pass another background check at the time of purchase as well, even with the handgun license. It's not known if he also had a concealed weapons permit (or the Maryland equivalent), and as far as I can tell, Florida would not honor Maryland's permit anyways. Maryland also has a registry for all handguns in the state. There is also universal background checks on all private party sales. So I'm not sure what gun control law would have actually prevented this guy from doing what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: So I'm not sure what gun control law would have actually prevented this guy from doing what he did. Probably the ones that prevent this sort of thing from happening in literally the entire rest of the civilized world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Probably the ones that prevent this sort of thing from happening in literally the entire rest of the civilized world. The rest of the civilized world? Most of Europe and Canada allows pistol ownership, albeit with tighter licensing standards than most US states. I would be surprised if Katz would have been denied a pistol license (or the country's equivalent) in Canada or France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The rest of the civilized world? Most of Europe and Canada allows pistol ownership, albeit with tighter licensing standards than most US states. I would be surprised if Katz would have been denied a pistol license (or the country's equivalent) in Canada or France. He's talking about the country's narrative on guns which influences people across the country. Limitation and aversion to guns are good teaching tools here. It's not about what's allowed elsewhere and what isn't (though it is important to look there for the legal side of how to legislate our own gun problems). But the bigger problem is how okay and sanitized gun use is. I'm not per se against guns flat out, but America has a problem, and to point out that in this case there was no way to catch him with current Maryland (or otherwise) gun laws ignores how bad our laws are, not just the people like David Katz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: He's talking about the country's narrative on guns which influences people across the country. Limitation and aversion to guns are good teaching tools here. It's not about what's allowed elsewhere and what isn't (though it is important to look there for the legal side of how to legislate our own gun problems). But the bigger problem is how okay and sanitized gun use is. I'm not per se against guns flat out, but America has a problem, and to point out that in this case there was no way to catch him with current Maryland (or otherwise) gun laws ignores how bad our laws are, not just the people like David Katz. Opinion: I believe that the 94 AWB cranked up the gun culture to 11. While before the legislation was passed, there might be *some* die hard gun people, the AWB bred a whole new generation of gun proponents. By vilifying gun culture and passing stricter gun control laws that are easily circumvented, you create a counter-culture around them. The harder you push, the more resistance you'll encounter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, mclumber1 said: Opinion: I believe that the 94 AWB cranked up the gun culture to 11. While before the legislation was passed, there might be *some* die hard gun people, the AWB bred a whole new generation of gun proponents. By vilifying gun culture and passing stricter gun control laws that are easily circumvented, you create a counter-culture around them. The harder you push, the more resistance you'll encounter. I certainly see that being a major contributing factor. As a major gun user/owner who understands that world far better than I do - real, reasonable solutions from your POV? Because the culture has to change, clearly, in this country, toward guns. The laws too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Damn I just found out my girlfriend new the family of one of the kids that got killed. Apparently he's from out here in California, Woodland Hills to be exact. Crazy shit. 11 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Opinion: I believe that the 94 AWB cranked up the gun culture to 11. While before the legislation was passed, there might be *some* die hard gun people, the AWB bred a whole new generation of gun proponents. By vilifying gun culture and passing stricter gun control laws that are easily circumvented, you create a counter-culture around them. The harder you push, the more resistance you'll encounter. We've had gun control in this country before though... In the frontier times when new towns would settle and open for business, they would ban folks from wearing guns in town because of all the killings and shootings. Also during prohibition when gangland killings with Tommy Guns were common place, we banned those guns. What happened with the Assault weapons ban, was in the 90's you had the rise of talk radio which fed into this notion of "The Government is trying to take your guns so they can take your freedom." That along with race baiting politicians playing to the fears of white people and a gun lobby that was financing all of this led to where we are today. Guns have become an identity symbol for some folks in this country and no matter how many school shootings we have, they will not let them go willingly. NATION.OF. IDIOTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said: I certainly see that being a major contributing factor. As a major gun user/owner who understands that world far better than I do - real, reasonable solutions from your POV? Because the culture has to change, clearly, in this country, toward guns. The laws too. Gun owners feel like they are being attacked. They feel they are being attacked and their civil right is being threatened. So gun owners push back by buying as many AR-15s and glocks as they can before the government does something more drastic. I myself built an AR-15 earlier this year. Partly because it was fun, and partly because I fear that the state (Oregon) or the federal government will restrict the ability to buy or build them in the near future. Many people called Obama the best gun salesman that ever existed, because there was a fear he would, along with Congress, restrict the Second Amendment. Remove the fear that the government is going to go after the guns of the law abiding, and you largely remove the current culture of gun hoarding. This doesn't solve the 8000-10,000 gun homicides we have every year, that will require different solutions. I'm all for universal background checks, if done properly. I think many pro-gun people are on board with that. The biggest factors for our current gun violence problem are: the war on drugs, gangs, poverty, and education. As a (small L) libertarian, I'm more than willing to support liberal solutions to those issues, but I'm not willing to erode the Second Amendment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Gun owners feel like they are being attacked because that is the fear-mongering rhetoric the NRA and company shoves down their throats. "Democrats will invade your house and steal all your guns". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: Gun owners feel like they are being attacked. They feel they are being attacked and their civil right is being threatened. So gun owners push back by buying as many AR-15s and glocks as they can before the government does something more drastic. I myself built an AR-15 earlier this year. Partly because it was fun, and partly because I fear that the state (Oregon) or the federal government will restrict the ability to buy or build them in the near future. Many people called Obama the best gun salesman that ever existed, because there was a fear he would, along with Congress, restrict the Second Amendment. Remove the fear that the government is going to go after the guns of the law abiding, and you largely remove the current culture of gun hoarding. This doesn't solve the 8000-10,000 gun homicides we have every year, that will require different solutions. I'm all for universal background checks, if done properly. I think many pro-gun people are on board with that. The biggest factors for our current gun violence problem are: the war on drugs, gangs, poverty, and education. As a (small L) libertarian, I'm more than willing to support liberal solutions to those issues, but I'm not willing to erode the Second Amendment. How exactly do you do that when these folks equate "gun regulation" with "You're trying to take my guns away". Answer: You can't. The paranoid will always think there's someone out to get them even when there isn't anyone there. and the biggest factor in our gun violence problem is access to guns. Plenty of other Western countries have the same issues we do but they don't have the same gun violence problem because they don't have the same access to guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: How exactly do you do that when these folks equate "gun regulation" with "You're trying to take my guns away". Answer: You can't. The paranoid will always think there's someone out to get them even when there isn't anyone there. and the biggest factor in our gun violence problem is access to guns. Plenty of other Western countries have the same issues we do but they don't have the same gun violence problem because they don't have the same access to guns. Its super easy, because you have a number of current Democratic lawmakers, past lawmakers, and pundits arguing to do exactly that. Every time there is a mass shooting you have the likes of Rolling Stone and The Young Turks saying it's time to get rid of the Second Amendment. You have Giffords arguing that something needs to be done (in relation to the Jacksonville shooting) - even though the types of gun control that most liberals would consider could legislation, failed to stop this chucklefuck from killing people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Its super easy, because you have a number of current Democratic lawmakers, past lawmakers, and pundits arguing to do exactly that. Every time there is a mass shooting you have the likes of Rolling Stone and The Young Turks saying it's time to get rid of the Second Amendment. You have Giffords arguing that something needs to be done (in relation to the Jacksonville shooting) - even though the types of gun control that most liberals would consider could legislation, failed to stop this chucklefuck from killing people. The Giffords... are you referring to the woman who was SHOT IN THE HEAD? How dare she call for gun control or regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: The Giffords... are you referring to the woman who was SHOT IN THE HEAD? How dare she call for gun control or regulation. I think mclumber's point isn't that there are calls for gun control/regulation in general, but that certain members in far left groups like The Young Turks (which is true) are not just calling for gun control/regulation, but a repeal of the second amendment. To be fair, other members on The Young Turks do not believe we need to go that drastic. He fears that we will go too far. I think, personally, that's incredibly alarmist - change would be gradual/incremental regardless of how drastic some leftist voices might be given how glacial any change has been so far. Given that our default right now is that the country is super into guns, I think worrying about the far left when most calls to action is to do anything (as opposed to something specifically far left) seems like cognitive dissonance to me, no offense @mclumber1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said: I think mclumber's point isn't that there are calls for gun control/regulation in general, but that certain members in far left groups like The Young Turks (which is true) are not just calling for gun control/regulation, but a repeal of the second amendment. To be fair, other members on The Young Turks do not believe we need to go that drastic. He fears that we will go too far. I think, personally, that's incredibly alarmist - change would be gradual/incremental regardless of how drastic some leftist voices might be given how glacial any change has been so far. Given that our default right now is that the country is super into guns, I think worrying about the far left when most calls to action is to do something seems like cognitive dissonance to me, no offense @mclumber1 Because it is... The people on the other side say "Gun regulations are going too far and you eventually want to take my guns away." OR "Those gun regulations you're proposing won't do anything to solve the problem anyway, so what's the point? Guns aren't the problem anyway... it's education or mental illness or unwed mothers..." or some other silly shit. Any moron can see the difference between us and other countries that don't have this problem, but we are unable to do anything about our problem because people "luv their gunz." I'm not even anti gun... I'm "pro-not-treating-guns-like-toys-or-substitute-penises." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Guaranteed way to get sweeping gun control: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I’m for the repeal of the second amendment, screw the half measures we are stuck with in a post-Heller America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I’m for the repeal of the second amendment, screw the half measures we are stuck with in a post-Heller America. Yup, time to undo this fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Yup, time to undo this fuck up. Yeah, this is exactly why you'll see the furtherance of the super pro-gun counter culture. The gun industry thanks you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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