SuperSpreader Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 It's gonna be hilarious when MS buys all the IP and everything goes streaming in 10yr but they fail anyway and players lament all the shelved IPs they no longer have access to Hilarious to me anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: It's gonna be hilarious when MS buys all the IP and everything goes streaming in 10yr but they fail anyway and players lament all the shelved IPs they no longer have access to Hilarious to me anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 It's the second Kottick quote that gets me. Hey guys, in case this doesn't go through, come talk to me about making CoD a timed exclusive. I'm listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: It's the second Kottick quote that gets me. Hey guys, in case this doesn't go through, come talk to me about making CoD a timed exclusive. I'm listening. Mafia Honestly ms and Sony have showed him he's more powerful than both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Mafia Honestly ms and Sony have showed him he's more powerful than both He already knew it. It’s why he strolled into Microsoft asking for a better cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Only reason he’s saying this is because he’s running a subscription based on Microsoft properties. Also, what of Nintendo? They’ve been doing this exclusive thing much longer than Sony, and still are making hardware because of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, crispy4000 said: Only reason he’s saying this is because he’s running a subscription based on Microsoft properties. Also, what of Nintendo? They’ve been doing this exclusive thing much longer than Sony, and still are making hardware because of it. Exclusivity was started by Sony. Sega and Nintendo never did it. Neither did Atari or Colecovision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Exclusivity was started by Sony. Sega and Nintendo never did it. Neither did Atari or Colecovision. Uhh no. Nintendo pulled a lot of BS on publishers back during the NES / early Snes era. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-and-fall-of-gamings-third-party-exclusives/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, chakoo said: Uhh no. Nintendo pulled a lot of BS on publishers back during the NES / early Snes era. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-and-fall-of-gamings-third-party-exclusives/ Your sarcasm detector is weak. Exclusives were the norm for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Your sarcasm detector is weak. Exclusives were the norm for a long time. Your statement didn't come off as sarcasm and more general internet revision history which is so abundant as the years roll on. *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 32 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Only reason he’s saying this is because he’s running a subscription based on Microsoft properties. Also, what of Nintendo? They’ve been doing this exclusive thing much longer than Sony, and still are making hardware because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Only reason he’s saying this is because he’s running a subscription based on Microsoft properties. Also, what of Nintendo? They’ve been doing this exclusive thing much longer than Sony, and still are making hardware because of it. They should break up Microsoft for saying such a stupid thing. If that's true install all web browsers by default Microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 FTC-Xbox hearing tackles a thorny question: Is Nintendo a competitor? - Polygon WWW.POLYGON.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: FTC-Xbox hearing tackles a thorny question: Is Nintendo a competitor? - Polygon WWW.POLYGON.COM Nintendo is only a competitor if they're pulling dollars away from Microsoft and Sony. It has nothing to do with demographics. I don't think even Nintendo views themselves as direct competitors. Otherwise, they wouldn't have scheduled Mario Wonder for the same release date as Spider-Man 2. GamesIndustry.biz presents… The Year in Numbers 2020 WWW.GAMESINDUSTRY.BIZ Christmas looms like a slightly obscured beacon of relief in the murky fog that is 2020, and here to guide you along th… Seems the vast majority of Switch owners also own another console and there's nothing in there about what percentage own a having PC. These numbers were out tougher before Sony and Microsoft launched new consoles which likely tipped those numbers even further. I'm Switch/PC and i know quite a few folks in that same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: FTC-Xbox hearing tackles a thorny question: Is Nintendo a competitor? - Polygon WWW.POLYGON.COM Yes they are. Sony can't bring themselves to admit it - they're not reaching a broad enough audience with their exclusives to monopolize in the way the PS2 once did. Microsoft meanwhile is purely arguing this out of convenience, after formerly dawning the Wii60 hat. The problem with Microsoft's argument to the FTC they have yet to taste true failure in the console market in the way that Nintendo has. Their brand has always been viable, even when popularly shunned. Not even bundling Kinect into a console launch could run their operation into the ground. But look at us, the little 3rd place megacorp underdog, who never sold less than 20 million units in a generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Nintendo is only a competitor if they're pulling dollars away from Microsoft and Sony. It has nothing to do with demographics. I don't think even Nintendo views themselves as direct competitors. Otherwise, they wouldn't have scheduled Mario Wonder for the same release date as Spider-Man 2. GamesIndustry.biz presents… The Year in Numbers 2020 WWW.GAMESINDUSTRY.BIZ Christmas looms like a slightly obscured beacon of relief in the murky fog that is 2020, and here to guide you along th… Seems the vast majority of Switch owners also own another console and there's nothing in there about what percentage own a having PC. These numbers were out tougher before Sony and Microsoft launched new consoles which likely tipped those numbers even further. I'm Switch/PC and i know quite a few folks in that same boat. Look at it the other way around from Sony's leaks today: Half of all PS5 owners have a Switch, whereas 1/5 own a Series console. Clearly Nintendo is eating into a greater potion of Sony's mindshare if their base is so easily pulled away. Same goes vice versa. Either way, there's little to say that Spider-Man 2 would materially hurt Mario Wonder sales. People will buy both if they want both. That's the way the biggest releases tend to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Nintendo is only a competitor if they're pulling dollars away from Microsoft and Sony. I was starting to think the same thing with the 50% of PS5 owners owning a Switch thing. The real figure to know is how many switch owners own a modern Xbox or PS. If Switch owners are very likely to own another console then the Switch isn’t really a competitor. Because with the Switch it’s not a case of “the switch or somebody else”. You can look at it as either the Switch is a companion platform or more likely due to market share, the PS or Xbox is a companion platform to the Switch. And so Sony and MS are competing against each other to be a Switch owner’s other console. but if only like 30% of switch owners own another console, they are very much competing against Sony and MS too. Because a clear choice of just 1 is being made for the majority of consumers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Since COD isn't on Switch then it's not a competitor the way MS describes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: I was starting to think the same thing with the 50% of PS5 owners owning a Switch thing. The real figure to know is how many switch owners own a modern Xbox or PS. If Switch owners are very likely to own another console then the Switch isn’t really a competitor. Because with the Switch it’s not a case of “the switch or somebody else”. You can look at it as either the Switch is a companion platform or more likely due to market share, the PS or Xbox is a companion platform to the Switch. And so Sony and MS are competing against each other to be a Switch owner’s other console. but if only like 30% of switch owners own another console, they are very much competing against Sony and MS too. Because a clear choice of just 1 is being made for the majority of consumers. The numbers I see say 71% of Switch owners own a second console with no details on how a gaming PC might skew those numbers. That really feeds into the Switch being a second console. Second console doesn't necessarily translate to gaming hours. The such might get more playtime or it might not, but it certainly seems Switch owners are more likely to own something else to fans on than either PS5 or XS owners. 19 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Look at it the other way around from Sony's leaks today: Half of all PS5 owners have a Switch, whereas 1/5 own a Series console. Clearly Nintendo is eating into a greater potion of Sony's mindshare if their base is so easily pulled away. Same goes vice versa. Either way, there's little to say that Spider-Man 2 would materially hurt Mario Wonder sales. People will buy both if they want both. That's the way the biggest releases tend to work. That just tells me that gamers are more likely to view the Switch as a +1 console than an Xbox. That makes sense. If you own a PS5, the Switch is a better value proposition for games not available on the PS5 compared to the XS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: I was starting to think the same thing with the 50% of PS5 owners owning a Switch thing. The real figure to know is how many switch owners own a modern Xbox or PS. If Switch owners are very likely to own another console then the Switch isn’t really a competitor. Because with the Switch it’s not a case of “the switch or somebody else”. You can look at it as either the Switch is a companion platform or more likely due to market share, the PS or Xbox is a companion platform to the Switch. And so Sony and MS are competing against each other to be a Switch owner’s other console. but if only like 30% of switch owners own another console, they are very much competing against Sony and MS too. Because a clear choice of just 1 is being made for the majority of consumers. I find this "companion platform" concept suspect today, at least in terms of dedicated gaming hardware. I can't imagine many people segment their gaming budgets accordingly into what they'll spend on Switch vs Series X, etc. It likely sways more with release calendars, discounts, etc. Remember, there was a critically acclaimed, open world Zelda at launch. People ate it up after largely ignoring the Wii U and 3DS (at least compared to DS). Nintendo platforms get no automatic pass as something Microsoft/Sony buyers will inevitably pick up. They've had to earn their keep, and successfully played "red ocean" this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 55 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: That just tells me that gamers are more likely to view the Switch as a +1 console than an Xbox. That makes sense. If you own a PS5, the Switch is a better value proposition for games not available on the PS5 compared to the XS. I don't think you're wrong. But I don't think that places them out of competition. For example: the person who owns a Series X and PS5, would you say Microsoft and Sony aren't competing for their subscription money? The same logic holds for retail releases. They'd make more money if no one felt the need to buy another platform that wasn't theirs. Nintendo's included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, crispy4000 said: They'd make more money if no one felt the need to buy another platform that wasn't theirs. Nintendo's included. That's very speculative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 6 hours ago, SuperSpreader said: That's very speculative Not really. Gaming money being spent elsewhere was one of the reasons Sony gave us for making the PS4 Pro. Project Q is attempting to address the portability factor. Even PSVR2 is trying to keep their audience from drifting too far from PlayStation. PS Extra wouldn’t exist as it does if it wasn’t for Games Pass. Etc. The closer to the vest Sony’s consumer is, the better for their pocketbook. Microsoft is less adamant about it, but they seldom ever release new Switch games anymore. Allegedly because Nintendo doesn’t want to cozy up to Games Pass. That’s their primary motivator, which also goes back to the money in the long run. There’s also the thing I tend to rant on about for each of the big 3 now: a consumer firmly rooted in their ecosystem is more likely to remain subscribed to their multiplayer paywall. It’s a more reliable stream of income if their console is all their consumer is tapped into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Bloomberg - Are you a robot? WWW.BLOOMBERG.COM SEGA not interested in being acquired, good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, crispy4000 said: Not really. Gaming money being spent elsewhere was one of the reasons Sony gave us for making the PS4 Pro. Project Q is attempting to address the portability factor. Even PSVR2 is trying to keep their audience from drifting too far from PlayStation. PS Extra wouldn’t exist as it does if it wasn’t for Games Pass. Etc. The closer to the vest Sony’s consumer is, the better for their pocketbook. Microsoft is less adamant about it, but they seldom ever release new Switch games anymore. Allegedly because Nintendo doesn’t want to cozy up to Games Pass. That’s their primary motivator, which also goes back to the money in the long run. There’s also the thing I tend to rant on about for each of the big 3 now: a consumer firmly rooted in their ecosystem is more likely to remain subscribed to their multiplayer paywall. It’s a more reliable stream of income if their console is all their consumer is tapped into. Some people just don't like Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft games and would never buy that console. Just because someone spent money doesn't mean it could have belonged to another manufacturer, that's a very capitalist point of view and one that will lead companies like Microsoft to making big mistakes. The reason every big tech company has failed at game development (meta, google) is because they lack killer apps to sell their hardware. Microsoft being incapable of tapping their current IP library and needing ABK isn't a sign that they're gonna do great things with those licenses. They'll run into the capitalist problems of needing endless integration of competitors as they kill one franchise after another until no one buys in anymore. Insert Bill Gates Borg image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Some people just don't like Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft games and would never buy that console. Just because someone spent money doesn't mean it could have belonged to another manufacturer, that's a very capitalist point of view and one that will lead companies like Microsoft to making big mistakes. Yes, but for those who do own multiple consoles, they're often picking and choosing where to play and what to buy. And it's naive to think that people dropping money on (nearly) full price Nintendo games doesn't affect Sony and Microsoft's bottom line at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Yes, but for those who do own multiple consoles, they're often picking and choosing where to play and where to buy. And it's naive to think that people dropping money on (nearly) full price Nintendo games doesn't affect Sony and Microsoft's bottom line at all. Agreed. The whole idea of Nintendo not being a competitor is complete nonsense. Look at the pandemic, people were screaming for consoles, and more than a few bought a switch because they couldn’t get PS5’s/Series X’s, and also because Animal Crossing became such a hit. Of course not every sale is one that would have gone to Sony/MS, but it’s completely false to say a lot of that wouldn’t have gone elsewhere had stock not been an issue. Of course it’s not dollar for dollar, nobody is actually making that argument except SuperSpreader. But it’s absolutely a large dollar number. A lot of people can’t afford to splurge on 500$ consoles and multiple 70$ games a month like a lot of us do, so they pick and choose. It’s naive to pretend Nintendo isn’t a competitor and that they aren’t taking money out of MS/Sony’s market share. Its the kind of argument a desperate Sony would make to stop a merger that isn’t in their best interests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I’m sure there are some people on limited budgets that if a big Nintendo game releases too close to a big release on another platform will only get 1 right now. But with plans to get the other later. now on metric that has come into play within the last 10 years or so is time. And I’m regards to this every game on every platform is competing with one another. Heck now they’re competing with movies and tv shows, or even the fucking news cycles. Most of those things are just a flash in the pan compared to something like COD or Fortnite, but another game that you could sink hundreds of hours into, like Elden Ring or Tears of the Kingdom is competing for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Destin Legarie (IGN) does great breakdowns of the trial daily. The one for yesterday is double the length of previous ones, I’m only half way through now, but he does a decent job of just going through the trial, and not speculating or giving too many personal opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/27/2023 at 6:33 AM, Spork3245 said: What if Sony buys them and we just keep getting terrible Sonic games? What if Chris Chan buys them and Pokemon Company, and we get his ultimate form, Sonichu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 3:48 PM, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Phil just testified that Elder Scrolls VI is over five years away from release. @best3444 remember when I told you this and you got all upset saying I had no idea what I was talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 53 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: @best3444 remember when I told you this and you got all upset saying I had no idea what I was talking about? I wasn't upset lol. But you were definitely correct, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, best3444 said: I wasn't upset lol. But you were definitely correct, sir. It’s just standard Bethesda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Quote Xbox Game Pass would need to grow by 2 million subs a year to help offset CoD exclusivity. We’re still hearing parts of emails about Microsoft offsetting shifts in revenues and the FTC just messed up and revealed Xbox Game Pass would need to grow by two million subscribers a year to help offset any Call of Duty exclusivity or reduced royalties from that decision. It’s still not clear how much revenue Microsoft would lose in this scenario though, but it’s a surprise piece of data we weren’t expecting to hear today. I'm sure it would push more than 2 million gamers in their direction to the console, at the least. Gotta think larger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Xbox's Phil Spencer Seemingly Decided to Make All ZeniMax Games Exclusives in 2021 Meeting - IGN WWW.IGN.COM Phil Spencer apparently made a "big decision" to make all ZeniMax games Xbox exclusive in a November 2021 meeting. For reference, the Bethesda deal was completed in March 2021. This might be the FTC's best shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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