crispy4000 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: Sony coming up with a lot of baloney Sony claims Microsoft’s ‘true strategy’ is to ‘make PlayStation like Nintendo’ | VGC WWW.VIDEOGAMESCHRONICLE.COM The company argues that Xbox will become the home of FPS games if its Activision deal is approved… They’re not wrong about Microsoft owning a shooter monopoly once they get CoD. The only games that can even remotely hang with their franchises now are of the F2P variety. To which they also own one of the biggest. (Overwatch) That doesn’t make Sony Nintendo. But could put them in a position somewhat like when Sony stole the JRPG from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I really want this to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Activision: We will 'fight' for the Xbox, Microsoft merger if necessary | Windows Central WWW.WINDOWSCENTRAL.COM Activision's COO starts talkin' tough about the big $69 billion Microsoft merger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 11:18 PM, SuperSpreader said: I really want this to fail. I don't, but it's entirely selfish, it adds value to gamepass. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, BloodyHell said: I don't, but it's entirely selfish, it adds value to gamepass. This is probably the only way we get a new Warcraft/Starcraft so I'm down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 hours ago, BloodyHell said: I don't, but it's entirely selfish, it adds value to gamepass. 2 hours ago, Zaku3 said: This is probably the only way we get a new Warcraft/Starcraft so I'm down. MSFT acquiring them bails out a lot of bad actors who have directly led to a lot of the issues in the gaming industry, including the lack of variety and lack of competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 6:48 PM, crispy4000 said: They’re not wrong about Microsoft owning a shooter monopoly once they get CoD. The only games that can even remotely hang with their franchises now are of the F2P variety. To which they also own one of the biggest. (Overwatch) That doesn’t make Sony Nintendo. But could put them in a position somewhat like when Sony stole the JRPG from them. Yeaaah I think with Fortnite around that claim doesn't hang. Overwatch ain't even piss in the wind in comparison. Not to mention Battlefield. I just don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Yeaaah I think with Fortnite around that claim doesn't hang. Overwatch ain't even piss in the wind in comparison. Not to mention Battlefield. I just don't buy it. Or that Sony now owns Bungie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Sony now has a monopoly on moon wizards, the mother fuckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 I only want it to happen to see if anything exciting happens to WoW. I was never too big into WoW but I did play a bunch of Legion and BfA. I didn't enjoy Shadowlands and I don't plan on returning for the new expansion. Like, what if you could have a WoW+Gamepass Sub? That'd be hella rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Xbob42 said: Yeaaah I think with Fortnite around that claim doesn't hang. Overwatch ain't even piss in the wind in comparison. Not to mention Battlefield. I just don't buy it. It’s F2P variety, as I said. Apex Legends can compete with Microsoft’s offerings too. But for FPS franchises people will straight up pay for (or Games Pass for?), most of the biggest will be in Microsoft’s stable. 2 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: Or that Sony now owns Bungie Destiny 2 hasn’t even generated half the revenue of Doom Eternal. To say nothing of Overwatch and CoD. Bungie deserves plenty of credit, but as a powerhouse FPS studio, their draw isn’t as big as you’d think today. They’re not at the front of industry trends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 3 hours ago, crispy4000 said: Destiny 2 hasn’t even generated half the revenue of Doom Eternal. To say nothing of Overwatch and CoD. Bungie deserves plenty of credit, but as a powerhouse FPS studio, their draw isn’t as big as you’d think today. They’re not at the front of industry trends. Yeah but they brought them in to make service games for them, probably FPS games, that are going to compete with the other games on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 hours ago, crispy4000 said: It’s F2P variety, as I said. Apex Legends can compete with Microsoft’s offerings too. But for FPS franchises people will straight up pay for (or Games Pass for?), most of the biggest will be in Microsoft’s stable. Destiny 2 hasn’t even generated half the revenue of Doom Eternal. To say nothing of Overwatch and CoD. Bungie deserves plenty of credit, but as a powerhouse FPS studio, their draw isn’t as big as you’d think today. They’re not at the front of industry trends. Ive been looking, and theres no evidence of what you're saying about Destiny, except that they make 200m a year in mtx (not counting expansions). Something tells me that Doom Eternal has no ongoing revenue of any large amount. Just copies sold? Sure. But overall revenue seems like a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, BloodyHell said: Ive been looking, and theres no evidence of what you're saying about Destiny, except that they make 200m a year in mtx (not counting expansions). Something tells me that Doom Eternal has no ongoing revenue of any large amount. Just copies sold? Sure. But overall revenue seems like a stretch. Think you’re right. The article I read didn’t specify if it’s 200 million annual. Doom Eternal is at 450 mil total, in the 2 1/2 years it’s been out. Overwatch (~800m annual) and Warzone (~2000m annual) are still much bigger than either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, crispy4000 said: Think you’re right. The article I read didn’t specify if it’s 200 million annual. It's definitely $200 million annually which would make sense for a revenue multiple metric considering the $3.6 billion Sony paid for Bungie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's definitely $200 million annually which would make sense considering the $3.6 billion Sony paid for Bungie Still puts in perspective how good of a deal that Bethesda acquisition was, relatively speaking. Microsoft got so many notable western properties and studios out of it. Sony spends half of that, gets one. And they won’t even keep it off Xbox. I don’t see why any FPS-centric gamer would consider going with a PS5 at this point. Sony buys a timed exclusive, then Microsoft buys that same developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 FTC Seeks to Block Microsoft Corp.’s Acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Inc. WWW.FTC.GOV The Federal Trade Commission is seeking to block technology giant Microsoft Corp. from acquiring leading video game developer Activision Blizzard, Inc. Quote The Federal Trade Commission is seeking to block technology giant Microsoft Corp. from acquiring leading video game developer Activision Blizzard, Inc. and its blockbuster gaming franchises such as Call of Duty, alleging that the $69 billion deal, Microsoft’s largest ever and the largest ever in the video gaming industry, would enable Microsoft to suppress competitors to its Xbox gaming consoles and its rapidly growing subscription content and cloud-gaming business. In a complaint issued today, the FTC pointed to Microsoft’s record of acquiring and using valuable gaming content to suppress competition from rival consoles, including its acquisition of ZeniMax, parent company of Bethesda Softworks (a well-known game developer). Microsoft decided to make several of Bethesda's titles including Starfield and Redfall Microsoft exclusives despite assurances it had given to European antitrust authorities that it had no incentive to withhold games from rival consoles. “Microsoft has already shown that it can and will withhold content from its gaming rivals,” said Holly Vedova, Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Competition. “Today we seek to stop Microsoft from gaining control over a leading independent game studio and using it to harm competition in multiple dynamic and fast-growing gaming markets.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 FTC Sony fanboys confirmed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 If that line about the Bethesda acquisition and Europe is true, then I definitely see why they’re fighting it. This was also 3 years ago. Microsoft plans to cool it with Xbox games coming to Switch and PS4 – Destructoid WWW.DESTRUCTOID.COM Focusing on its platform first and foremost Don’t expect to see more Xbox first-party games on other consoles anytime soon.... If I’m not mistaken, the only games they’ve published on rival consoles since were Psyconauts 2 (as promised to backers) and Minecraft Dungeons. Deathloop was under a previous contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 With the FTC being the first out of the gate with a lawsuit, I expect that both the UK's Competition and Markets Authority and the EU's Commissioner for Competition will also attempt to block well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Naturally, this is the top story on CNBC and Bloomberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I’ve seen elsewhere MS is likely to ultimately prevail in court but if the CMA block it because of this it might not be able to get it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dodger said: I’ve seen elsewhere MS is likely to ultimately prevail in court but if the CMA block it because of this it might not be able to get it through. The CMA genuinely appears to be a dead stop because at least from what I've read, the judicial right of appeal for a CMA ruling only involves procedural issues with CMA's process and then the case goes back to the CMA once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The CMA genuinely appears to be a dead stop because at least from what I've read, the judicial right of appeal for a CMA ruling only involves procedural issues with CMA's process and then the case goes back to the CMA once again. Yeah that’s what I’ve seen as well. Fuck I was really hoping not to spend $70 on Diablo IV. I might have even tried to get into CoD if it was “free” on games pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 FTC sues to block Microsoft-Activision Blizzard merger WWW.AXIOS.COM The commission voted 3-1 to file an administrative complaint seeking to block the merger. Quote Between the lines: The FTC chose to file the complaint in its own administrative court, not in federal court. The agency is not seeking a preliminary injunction to stop the deal from closing, so the two parties are still likely to close. The lack of a preliminary injunction to block definitely makes it appear to be the means that the FTC will use to forcibly extract concessions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Wonder what else they want since MS is pulling an Oprah and offering 10 year CoD deals to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, Dodger said: Wonder what else they want since MS is pulling an Oprah and offering 10 year CoD deals to everyone. More than likely the divestment of some studio assets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I’m ok with the FTC suing. I still think the gaming market is pretty competitive and would remain competitive even if the deal closed without any pre-conditions, but it’s probably a good thing that they have to put some things in writing and prove their case. I am curious what kind of concessions regulators will be looking for other than agreements to publish COD on PlayStation for 10 years or whatever. I listened to the Decoder podcast with Phil Spencer and something that he pointed out that I think is worth reiterating is that the biggest, most profitable, and most forward looking parts of this deal aren’t COD or World of Warcraft, it’s Candy Crush and mobile games. When it comes to those types of games, MS is not a big player at all, and all that business is done on platforms that MS doesn’t control. I’m sure that MS will push that narrative in court, so we’ll see how they do. As a matter of personal opinion, I think it might be more interesting if MS was able to close this deal and did make some things exclusive. I’d argue that MS has been losing the exclusivity battle for a long time, and maybe I’m biased because I can afford all platforms, but I don’t think exclusives are necessarily bad things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, TwinIon said: I am curious what kind of concessions regulators will be looking for other than agreements to publish COD on PlayStation for 10 years or whatever. Asset (studio) divestment is what I'm thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I have seen comments that part of the CMC concern was over cloud gaming and Games Pass. Not sure what MS could with with cloud stuff other than just not do it, or cancel their Samsung deal to have Xcloud on their tvs. Games Pass shouldn't be any concern, Sony has more PS+ subscribers and it's their own choice they don't put first party games into the service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Asset (studio) divestment is what I'm thinking. 343 studios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Brian said: 343 studios I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one of the regulatory bodies gives them this divestment choice: King and the CoD studios or Blizzard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one of the regulatory bodies gives them this divestment choice: King and the CoD studios or Blizzard. Have to think Microsoft wouldn't even think about it before dropping Blizzard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chris- said: Have to think Microsoft wouldn't even think about it before dropping Blizzard. Oh yeah - Blizzard definitely becomes the sacrificial "opportunity cost" victim in that scenario! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Oh yeah - Blizzard definitely becomes the sacrificial "opportunity cost" victim in that scenario! That seems shortsighted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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