Guest Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, crispy4000 said: I don't think the Switch would have sold as well if the narrative never shifted on their 3rd party support. Indies are part of that, so are F2P games, larger publishers, etc. Nintendo should never want to be in a position where they more or less go it alone anymore. They dealt with that for generations on the console side, and their flops hit harder as a result. Based on *what*? Where are the 3rd party sales at? I would say you have a much more compelling case that a good handheld version of Fortnite helped Switch than the honestly bizarre claim that indies moved the needle at all. But again, just look at the list of best selling titles on Switch. 20 of the top 20 are Nintendo published titles, and 43 out of the top 50 are published/co-published by Nintendo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDunks4 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Biggest gaming deal in hirstory has turned into a debate over handhelds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said: Biggest gaming deal in hirstory has turned into a debate over handhelds Did you expect anything less from D1P? Just be glad they're not arguing about food again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said: Biggest gaming deal in hirstory has turned into a debate over handhelds Thinking it over I for one welcome our Microsoft overlords. Anyone think MS is done with acquisitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 Last good handheld was the vita. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: Thinking it over I for one welcome our Microsoft overlords. Anyone think MS is done with acquisitions? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brick said: Just be glad they're not arguing about food again. Drinking a glass of milk in addition to a bowl of cereal (with milk) is the new hot debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The def star Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I thought this was about Microsoft acquisition of Activision not about how people buy Nintendo systems for indie games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The def star Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Brick said: Did you expect anything less from Crispy4000? Just be glad they're not arguing about food again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 46 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Based on *what*? Where are the 3rd party sales at? Indies selling better on Switch than elsewhere, AAA, AA and F2P ports that keep coming, etc. There’s more burden of proof to say that Switch would sell the same amount if outside developers avoided it like the Wii U. I don’t think it’s realistic to say there was no needle moved. And yes, I’d agree that Fortnite’s impact is more important than any other 3rd party game on the system. Just imagine if they didn’t port it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, The def star said: I thought this was about Microsoft acquisition of Activision not about how people buy Nintendo systems for indie games It is weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Indies selling better on Switch than elsewhere, AAA, AA and F2P ports that keep coming, etc. There’s more burden of proof to say that Switch would sell the same amount if outside developers avoided it like the Wii U. I don’t think it’s realistic to say there was no needle moved. And yes, I’d agree that Fortnite’s impact is more important than pretty much any other 3rd party game on the system. If they didn’t port it… ouch for Nintendo. So we agree that Fortnite is the most important 3rd party game on the system, and it was fourth place in revenue behind PlayStation, Xbox, and PC. For the Switch seeing success because Nintendo changed the narrative on 3rd party support, it seems as though consumers don’t end up spending relatively much on those 3rd party titles. Epic Games v. Apple by the numbers: Fortnite is worth that much money? ARSTECHNICA.COM Court proceedings unmask the business realities behind iOS gaming and Fortnite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Having ‘built in’ multiplayer that was both accessible and tailored to their major properties had a much, much greater impact for Nintendo’s bottom line than anything having to do with third party support. The Wii’s success opened them up to a market that was being increasingly underserved by Microsoft and Sony, and the Switch is a return to form. Moreover, you are putting the cart before the horse when it comes to citing third-party ports as evidence that they are important; publishers are chasing the install base, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, JPDunks4 said: Biggest gaming deal in hirstory has turned into a debate over handhelds Don't worry, we'll pivot to food soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, sblfilms said: So we agree that Fortnite is the most important 3rd party game on the system, and it was fourth place in revenue behind PlayStation, Xbox, and PC. For the Switch seeing success because Nintendo changed the narrative on 3rd party support, it seems as though consumers don’t end up spending relatively much on those 3rd party titles. Epic Games v. Apple by the numbers: Fortnite is worth that much money? ARSTECHNICA.COM Court proceedings unmask the business realities behind iOS gaming and Fortnite. They don’t, which has always been Nintendo’s problem. 3rd party games often did so poorly it wasn’t worth the while. Not just in relativity to Nintendo’s games. But poor sales period. That Fortnite on Switch generates nearly as much mtx sales on PC is actually a momentous thing for a Nintendo platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Back on topic, Easy Allies did a thing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 No no no, no “back on topic” coming from you. You wanna die on the most moronic hill of all time? This isn’t ending until the damn hill is named after you. Hence forth…Taking the completely asinine view that Nintendo’s success has anything to do with anything other than Nintendo’s first party software, shall now be known as……….Taking a Crispy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Bacon said: Last good handheld was the vita. The Vita was indeed good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: No no no, no “back on topic” coming from you. You wanna die on the most moronic hill of all time? This isn’t ending until the damn hill is named after you. Hence forth…Taking the completely asinine view that Nintendo’s success has anything to do with anything other than Nintendo’s first party software, shall now be known as……….Taking a Crispy I'm fine to keep going if you insist on making asinine arguments yourself to pile on. Nintendo's failures have more to do with than their own games. It stands to reason that their successes do as well. As I said, Mario Kart 8 couldn't save the Wii U. The game needed a better outlet to become the huge success it is now. That's the plain and simple truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, crispy4000 said: I'm fine to keep going if you insist on making asinine arguments yourself to pile on. Nintendo's failures have more to do than their software. It stands to reason that their successes do as well. As I said, Mario Kart 8 couldn't save the Wii U. The WiiU isn’t a portable. @Ghost_MHaddressed this at least a page ago. Comparing a portable to a home only device is exactly @Mercury33’s point about choosing this hill to die on 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The WiiU isn’t a portable. @Ghost_MHaddressed this at least a page ago. Comparing a portable to a home only device is exactly @Mercury33’s point about choosing this hill to die on 😂 If he meant portables-only then he should have said it. As stated, it's false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I thought the Wii U "failed" because of confusing marketing and people not knowing what the fuck it actually was. Like the same folks who bought a Wii thought the Wii U was just an add on for the Wii and not an actual whole new system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: If he meant portables-only then he should have said it. As stated, it's false. I spelled out like 3 pages ago why the WiiU failed. We moved off that topic. Keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 This got uncomfortable 😫 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, best3444 said: This got uncomfortable 😫 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 If I was a mod, I would have banned these dweebs by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: If I was a mod, I would have banned these dweebs by now. I’d ban me, tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The def star Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: If I was a mod, I would have banned these dweebs by now. We are forgiving people. Except @Commissar SFLUFAN. He don't give a fuuuuuuuuick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Can I mention how the deck will technically play more Nintendo games than the switch to try to make this argument even weirder? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 why would we ban anybody in this thread lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: If I was a mod, I would have banned these dweebs by now. Don’t like it then leave. MERICA!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, stepee said: Can I mention how the deck will technically play more Nintendo games than the switch to try to make this argument even weirder? The deck will technically be able to play all nof the first party games from the big three 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I’d ban me, tbh If this forum was being modded, @Commissar SFLUFANand @Jasonwould probably be the only ones not perma-banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, The def star said: I thought this was about Microsoft acquisition of Activision not about how people buy Nintendo systems for indie games This is objectively a casserole: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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