stepee Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Man that last two hours of the main game is just some of the best shit there is ya. I have those two important side quests to do still but I’ll probably do those tomorrow. Crazy good game though yeah, definitely helped round this year out to be less lackluster. Would be my GOTY if it wasn’t for Elden Ring just being something else and this being closer to something I played before. That’s just giving Elden Ring it’s due props though, this was phenomenal as a sequel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 After I beat it again I'll rank my top 10 again. I'm seeing how my 2nd run goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Every time I play this, I’m up way too late. Worth it, though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 trying to tackle some side quests finally as im about 75% through main story right now. i just did the couple desert side qeusts where you free the space jellyfish or whatver they were called. that was a wonderful visual once completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Firewithin said: trying to tackle some side quests finally as im about 75% through main story right now. i just did the couple desert side qeusts where you free the space jellyfish or whatver they were called. that was a wonderful visual once completed. Hell, it was a wonderful visual when you get halfway through it and see part of the change. Funny how different it is when you first get there. Not every realm does it, and I'm sure they'd have to have done much more work to do it with every realm (and for some realms like Helheim, it wouldn't make sense to produce big changes), but it is cool that you can see tangible changes if you work on the side quests in places such as Alfheim and Vanaheim, Spoiler specifically the optional part of Vanaheim, which is a damned crazy battlefield when you first get there but calms down the more you improve the place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I did those two important end game quests and that was a nice last line. I guess the thing I missed at the end was when Loki Loke pushes Kratos into the escape portal, what was up with that? It seemed like he was going to face Ragnarock or maybe sacrifice himself or something but then he just wakes up and it’s all good? What did I miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, stepee said: I did those two important end game quests and that was a nice last line. I guess the thing I missed at the end was Reveal hidden contents when Loki Loke pushes Kratos into the escape portal, what was up with that? It seemed like he was going to face Ragnarock or maybe sacrifice himself or something but then he just wakes up and it’s all good? What did I miss? You didn't miss anything. That part was just bad. As I have said before, the ending was really cool when you don't have time to think about it and are living in the moment. In retrospect there are a lot of flaws with that whole last chapter and it is full of clichés used poorly. Still pretty great in the moment tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, stepee said: I did those two important end game quests and that was a nice last line. I guess the thing I missed at the end was Hide contents when Loki Loke pushes Kratos into the escape portal, what was up with that? It seemed like he was going to face Ragnarock or maybe sacrifice himself or something but then he just wakes up and it’s all good? What did I miss? As Bacon said... with spoilers for almost all the endgame content.... Spoiler You didn't miss anything. I think the ending works best when you're going through it first and everything is popping off; hence my earlier comparison to a JJ Abrams movie. I don't know that the ending "works" at all when you stop to think about it. It works fine in the moment when you can't wait for the next bit. It's still emotionally satisfying but a lot of it is kinda flimsy especially given that most of the stuff leading up to that is pretty tight. But I guess Ragnarok just got dealt with offscreen? Freyr dies for like... no good reason? In the time he has to say goodbye he couldn't have gotten himself and other people out? The entire security of Asgard is dependent on nobody asking a dwarf to make a button? Surtr refuses to help you then just... changes his mind for no reason other than that the plot needs him to? Unless you do everything up front, Atreus leaves before he bothers to clean up the realm tears he was obviously bent out of shape about having caused? He doesn't stick around to see if Brok will have a funeral? If you go to Jotunheim after doing a bunch of extra side stuff Kratos has... shockingly little to communicate to or about Atreus? He has some nice moments with Agrboda, but like... he's not there with her? After the ending where it's clear that she's a main part of the reason Atreus is leaving? Yes she needs to take care of her grandmother, I get that, but that he'd leave Kratos for them to go on their mission and then they'd split seems contrived. This stuff is just so weird. The spear is so cool and there's so much attention to detail... it obviously calls back to Kratos being Spartan, it has the combined brand that the brothers rejoined from the first game. They reference Deimos, who originally was just on the PSP! Shit like that. Then it's all unexplained mask this, giant stuff that, whackity schmackity doooooooo, I gotta go dad, byeeeee In any other game I probably wouldn't care at all, it just feels out of place with the 30+ hours that precede it which has SO MUCH put into it. Unrelated, but I had an extremely stupid theory about where the game was headed for like... 75% of the game. This ended up being wrong, naturally. Spoilers. Spoiler So at the start of the game, Thor fucks with the game over screen. I thought that was just the game being cute with player expectations up until you fight with "Vanadis," which is Freya in Valkyrie mode. Vanadis is one of Freya's many names in Norse mythology, and it's clear in hindsight that it's just the dev's being cute, like the Thor bit. BUUUUUT despite knowing Freya and the Valkyries well, Mimir DOESN'T know who "Vanadis" is. So unlike most of the other bosses, where Mimir would know the name of something to justify the game naming an enemy (he literally calls out the names of the Berskers, and he knew the Valkyries from the first game), or the fight against Atreus as "Bjorn," which just means "bear..." I figured that the realm tear Odin looked into was a portal to the "real world" and between the meta game stuff and Loki being... Loki, that Thor essentially acknowledging the existence of the game over screen and Freya being called one of the names from Norse mythology associated with her IRL that we'd have some 4th wall shit going on. But no, I'm just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: As Bacon said... with spoilers for almost all the endgame content.... Hide contents You didn't miss anything. I think the ending works best when you're going through it first and everything is popping off; hence my earlier comparison to a JJ Abrams movie. I don't know that the ending "works" at all when you stop to think about it. It works fine in the moment when you can't wait for the next bit. It's still emotionally satisfying but a lot of it is kinda flimsy especially given that most of the stuff leading up to that is pretty tight. But I guess Ragnarok just got dealt with offscreen? Freyr dies for like... no good reason? In the time he has to say goodbye he couldn't have gotten himself and other people out? The entire security of Asgard is dependent on nobody asking a dwarf to make a button? Surtr refuses to help you then just... changes his mind for no reason other than that the plot needs him to? Unless you do everything up front, Atreus leaves before he bothers to clean up the realm tears he was obviously bent out of shape about having caused? He doesn't stick around to see if Brok will have a funeral? If you go to Jotunheim after doing a bunch of extra side stuff Kratos has... shockingly little to communicate to or about Atreus? He has some nice moments with Agrboda, but like... he's not there with her? After the ending where it's clear that she's a main part of the reason Atreus is leaving? Yes she needs to take care of her grandmother, I get that, but that he'd leave Kratos for them to go on their mission and then they'd split seems contrived. This stuff is just so weird. The spear is so cool and there's so much attention to detail... it obviously calls back to Kratos being Spartan, it has the combined brand that the brothers rejoined from the first game. They reference Deimos, who originally was just on the PSP! Shit like that. Then it's all unexplained mask this, giant stuff that, whackity schmackity doooooooo, I gotta go dad, byeeeee In any other game I probably wouldn't care at all, it just feels out of place with the 30+ hours that precede it which has SO MUCH put into it. Unrelated, but I had an extremely stupid theory about where the game was headed for like... 75% of the game. This ended up being wrong, naturally. Spoilers. Reveal hidden contents So at the start of the game, Thor fucks with the game over screen. I thought that was just the game being cute with player expectations up until you fight with "Vanadis," which is Freya in Valkyrie mode. Vanadis is one of Freya's many names in Norse mythology, and it's clear in hindsight that it's just the dev's being cute, like the Thor bit. BUUUUUT despite knowing Freya and the Valkyries well, Mimir DOESN'T know who "Vanadis" is. So unlike most of the other bosses, where Mimir would know the name of something to justify the game naming an enemy (he literally calls out the names of the Berskers, and he knew the Valkyries from the first game), or the fight against Atreus as "Bjorn," which just means "bear..." I figured that the realm tear Odin looked into was a portal to the "real world" and between the meta game stuff and Loki being... Loki, that Thor essentially acknowledging the existence of the game over screen and Freya being called one of the names from Norse mythology associated with her IRL that we'd have some 4th wall shit going on. But no, I'm just dumb. I think a lot of your points are fair, but I think there are a couple events that have reasonable explanations to them. Spoiler Re: Ragnarok being dealt with, I think there just isn't anything to be dealt with. They came to learn that Ragnarok would *only* destroy Asgard. With Odin (and Thor for that matter) out of the way, Asgard's fate was sealed, but the rest of the realms would go on regardless of doing anything. So there's nothing really more to do other than evacuating the people who were at Asgard, which they made clear was a priority earlier. So it ends, and yeah, Asgard is gone while the other realms remain as expected. Re: Surtr, he doesn't just change his mind for no reason. The reason he didn't want to help you was because he wasn't willing to merge and kill Sinmara for it. He didn't care about himself dying. When Kratos goes to leave, Surtr looks back at him as he departs and notices the Blades of Chaos (because they're on Kratos' back so he didn't really see them before that). That's when he realizes there is a way to start Ragnarok by only sacrificing himself and not her. You can see the moment when he notices the blades here: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, legend said: I think a lot of your points are fair, but I think there are a couple events that have reasonable explanations to them. Reveal hidden contents Re: Ragnarok being dealt with, I think there just isn't anything to be dealt with. They came to learn that Ragnarok would *only* destroy Asgard. With Odin (and Thor for that matter) out of the way, Asgard's fate was sealed, but the rest of the realms would go on regardless of doing anything. So there's nothing really more to do other than evacuating the people who were at Asgard, which they made clear was a priority earlier. So it ends, and yeah, Asgard is gone while the other realms remain as expected. Re: Surtr, he doesn't just change his mind for no reason. The reason he didn't want to help you was because he wasn't willing to merge and kill Sinmara for it. He didn't care about himself dying. When Kratos goes to leave, Surtr looks back at him as he departs and notices the Blades of Chaos (because they're on Kratos' back so he didn't really see them before that). That's when he realizes there is a way to start Ragnarok by only sacrificing himself and not her. You can see the moment when he notices the blades here: Spoiler Re: Ragnarok, yeah fair, I still think it’s a lot of buildup to something that ultimately kinda fizzles. So much of this game is about Kratos and Atreus taking accountability for what they did across two games that Ragnarok destroying Asgard and killing Freyr happening at the very end feels kinda unmoored. Kratos and Atreus are indirectly responsible for Freya’s brother dying and given how the game starts and where their relationship ends up, that is really just hand waved away in comparison. It’s acknowledged but feels like lip service Re: Surtr, yeah I mean it’s not literally no reason, it’s just wildly convenient. There’s even the whole “please don’t let my wife merge with me” or whatever line in there that’s not relevant because she never materializes. There’s just so much happening in the back part of this game that isn’t given time to develop or breathe and this is one of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Trying to get my thoughts together but I’m having a lot of fun with the berserker stones. The last one kicked my ass for an hour straight and I still haven’t beaten it. After that, it’s into the hardest fight in the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Photomode is live! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 People are finding cool details. Here's a non-spoiler one: These are: The Sunrise of Nothingness (Horizon Zero Dawn) Large Society Ground Orb, The Performance (MLB: The Show) We Who Remain, Part The Second (The Last of Us: Part II) Tool and Bang (Ratchet & Clank) Afterlife Abandonment (Death Stranding) Visions After Rest (Dreams) Spirits Within Walls (Concrete Genie) Celestial Construct (Astro's Playroom) Upon Pursuing A Place Not Marked On Maps (Uncharted) Trip (Journey) Eastern Specter (Ghost of Tsushima) An Organization: In The Future (The Order: 1886) Sanguinity (Bloodborne) The Dead Do Not Ride (Days Gone) There's this little thing which is just cool attention to detail: And this is a spoiler but Photomode means people are catching it! Spoiler BIG spoiler, cool detail: Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: BIG spoiler, cool detail: i thought it would be this Spoiler Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bacon said: i thought it would be this Hide contents Spoiler I mentioned that earlier in the thread, but indeed, that's one of the coolest details if you're super observant. I 'd when someone mentioned this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Got a plat by beating the hardest optional fight. phew! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I'm 10 hours in my second playthrough. I've already discovered new areas and have open nearly every chest. I'm already stronger than I was in my first run at this point, too. Game is so fucking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Jesus, 40 hours in. Spoiler I’m in Asgard for the second time. I got sidetracked in that new area of Vanaheim that opened up and it’s a bit overwhelming so I went back to the main quest. Game is a lot longer than I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I'm now 12 hours in and I'm literally exploring every nook and cranny of each area. Holy shit, @Bacon was right. There are chests EVERYWHERE! My first playthrough I missed so much shit. My character is getting much better armor and the sense of discovery is so fun. Still at the point where I'm at this game is a 9.5 but I'll be interested when things slow down to see if it effects me as it did on my first playthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Jfc, 20 hours in and I barely scratched the main story. I've discovered so many new large areas with a ton of secrets. This game is massive! I'm really appreciating this game more than ever now. After I completely dissect this game and beat it again, I'll reevaluate my GOTY. I just played 4 hours straight. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 5:56 PM, Kal-El814 said: As Bacon said... with spoilers for almost all the endgame content.... Hide contents You didn't miss anything. I think the ending works best when you're going through it first and everything is popping off; hence my earlier comparison to a JJ Abrams movie. I don't know that the ending "works" at all when you stop to think about it. It works fine in the moment when you can't wait for the next bit. It's still emotionally satisfying but a lot of it is kinda flimsy especially given that most of the stuff leading up to that is pretty tight. But I guess Ragnarok just got dealt with offscreen? Freyr dies for like... no good reason? In the time he has to say goodbye he couldn't have gotten himself and other people out? The entire security of Asgard is dependent on nobody asking a dwarf to make a button? Surtr refuses to help you then just... changes his mind for no reason other than that the plot needs him to? Unless you do everything up front, Atreus leaves before he bothers to clean up the realm tears he was obviously bent out of shape about having caused? He doesn't stick around to see if Brok will have a funeral? If you go to Jotunheim after doing a bunch of extra side stuff Kratos has... shockingly little to communicate to or about Atreus? He has some nice moments with Agrboda, but like... he's not there with her? After the ending where it's clear that she's a main part of the reason Atreus is leaving? Yes she needs to take care of her grandmother, I get that, but that he'd leave Kratos for them to go on their mission and then they'd split seems contrived. This stuff is just so weird. The spear is so cool and there's so much attention to detail... it obviously calls back to Kratos being Spartan, it has the combined brand that the brothers rejoined from the first game. They reference Deimos, who originally was just on the PSP! Shit like that. Then it's all unexplained mask this, giant stuff that, whackity schmackity doooooooo, I gotta go dad, byeeeee In any other game I probably wouldn't care at all, it just feels out of place with the 30+ hours that precede it which has SO MUCH put into it. Unrelated, but I had an extremely stupid theory about where the game was headed for like... 75% of the game. This ended up being wrong, naturally. Spoilers. Hide contents So at the start of the game, Thor fucks with the game over screen. I thought that was just the game being cute with player expectations up until you fight with "Vanadis," which is Freya in Valkyrie mode. Vanadis is one of Freya's many names in Norse mythology, and it's clear in hindsight that it's just the dev's being cute, like the Thor bit. BUUUUUT despite knowing Freya and the Valkyries well, Mimir DOESN'T know who "Vanadis" is. So unlike most of the other bosses, where Mimir would know the name of something to justify the game naming an enemy (he literally calls out the names of the Berskers, and he knew the Valkyries from the first game), or the fight against Atreus as "Bjorn," which just means "bear..." I figured that the realm tear Odin looked into was a portal to the "real world" and between the meta game stuff and Loki being... Loki, that Thor essentially acknowledging the existence of the game over screen and Freya being called one of the names from Norse mythology associated with her IRL that we'd have some 4th wall shit going on. But no, I'm just dumb. The Spoiler Tear is Mimirs Well from Norse mythology. There’s a slight twist on it, in Norse lore Odin traded his eye (which are all seeing) for a drink from his well of knowledge. In this, obviously he loses his eye peering inside, but it still lines up with Odin’s (“historical” Odin) quest for knowledge to prevent his own death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 23 hours ago, best3444 said: Jfc, 20 hours in and I barely scratched the main story. I've discovered so many new large areas with a ton of secrets. This game is massive! I'm really appreciating this game more than ever now. After I completely dissect this game and beat it again, I'll reevaluate my GOTY. I just played 4 hours straight. 😆 Well this is now in my backlog since restarting Elden Ring. I have too many games to play and need to take a break from Ragnarok even though I absolutely love it. I just don't have enough time with all these games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 The Berserker King is dead. May he eat shit forever. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I’ve done 4 of the berserker fights so far. I broke down last night and changed the difficulty to easy for the last one I did. Probably do that for the rest, whatevs. I am gonna beat the game on normal, though. Spoiler About to start the war with Asgard. Poor Brock. I’m off for 4 nights starting Thursday, so I intend to beat it over the weekend. I want to, since I’ll be going to my parents’ for several days over Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 10 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I’ve done 4 of the berserker fights so far. I broke down last night and changed the difficulty to easy for the last one I did. Probably do that for the rest, whatevs. I am gonna beat the game on normal, though. Hide contents About to start the war with Asgard. Poor Brock. I’m off for 4 nights starting Thursday, so I intend to beat it over the weekend. I want to, since I’ll be going to my parents’ for several days over Christmas. Spoiler The "wonderful" thing about the Brok scene is there are clues throughout the game that Tyr is Brok. I don't know if you suspected anything or not (I didn't), but things like his name not having an accent over the 'y' when he spoke but having it when he was referred to, or calling Freya "Frigg" sometimes to twist that knife in her as her ex-husband, etc. etc. I love a twist that doesn't cheat. At least Brok got that beautiful scene with Kratos and the spear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I keep wanting to write a longass review of the game but never get the time. There's so much I want to say; I still think about the game's story and despite the length, fully intend on replaying it within the next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 What difficulty you guys playing this on? I have it on the next to hardest difficulty but may drop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What difficulty you guys playing this on? I have it on the next to hardest difficulty but may drop it. I played it on whatever "medium" difficulty was. I rarely had any issues except for one boss. It's definitely easier than GOW 2018 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What difficulty you guys playing this on? I have it on the next to hardest difficulty but may drop it. I did next to hardest, which I believe was Give Me God of War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 13 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Reveal hidden contents The "wonderful" thing about the Brok scene is there are clues throughout the game that Tyr is Brok. I don't know if you suspected anything or not (I didn't), but things like his name not having an accent over the 'y' when he spoke but having it when he was referred to, or calling Freya "Frigg" sometimes to twist that knife in her as her ex-husband, etc. etc. I love a twist that doesn't cheat. At least Brok got that beautiful scene with Kratos and the spear. You made a naming error, but yeah, I get you. Looking back now, you can see it. I didn’t at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 17 hours ago, SaysWho? said: I did next to hardest, which I believe was Give Me God of War Pretty sure gimmie god of war is the hardest and you need to unlock it… gimmie no mercy is the hardest available from jump / second hardest overall, also what I say when someone asks me what N64 wrestling game I want to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 11 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You made a naming error, but yeah, I get you. Looking back now, you can see it. I didn’t at the time. I was sooo confused reading that post lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, stepee said: I was sooo confused reading that post lol Leaving it as is because wouldn't that have been a crazier plot development? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Beat it last night. Yep, this is going in my top 10 of all time. 10/10, just about perfect on every level. I’m still gonna keep playing to wrap up a few things. I did just about everything prior to finishing the main story. Just need to finish off the berserkers and close the remaining Hel Tears. And those remnants that popped up after the end. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Beat it last night. Yep, this is going in my top 10 of all time. 10/10, just about perfect on every level. I’m still gonna keep playing to wrap up a few things. I did just about everything prior to finishing the main story. Just need to finish off the berserkers and close the remaining Hel Tears. And those remnants that popped up after the end. Be sure to do the two quests mentioned in this thread now that you beat it. The one should have been included in the ending. It's really beautiful. I agree it's top 10 of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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