Ghost_MH Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Sounds like MasterCard is on them not because of the porn but because the BBC discovered they're terrible at content moderation. OnlyFans: How it handles illegal sex videos - BBC investigation WWW.BBC.COM Announcement came as leaked documents revealed Only Fans had some “tolerance” for accounts that posted illegal content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Yep. See edit. It makes more sense now, but it's still them going "you know how people come here for porn? What if we just didn't do porn anymore?" And expecting it to go differently than it did for Tumblr. Pornhub has been making it work. It just seems like nuking your platform is the stupidest option they have and they're taking it. They're basically trying to make a new YouTube with OFTV and onlyfans into a new Patreon. Only YouTube and Patreon already exist. Though I suppose Patreon will also have to follow suit with guidelines, though they aren't explicitly known for porn, so it doesn't affect them as much. PH has had its own issues with CC processors, and changed their whole business model chasing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: PH has had its own issues with CC processors, and changed their whole business model chasing them Their issues were the same as OnlyFans here. The lack of moderation lead to a lot of illegal content hosted on their site. The biggest difference here is that OnlyFans didn't seem to want to actually perform any kind of moderation and are, instead, opting to just do away with the entire genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Their issues were the same as OnlyFans here. The lack of moderation lead to a lot of illegal content hosted on their site. The biggest difference here is that OnlyFans didn't seem to want to actually perform any kind of moderation and are, instead, opting to just do away with the entire genre. Layered on top of it though is that supposedly they weren't intending to make a porn site and have always been kind of butthurt that it became known as a porn site. So it seems like Mastercard is forcing the issue but that on their end it's more like a convenient excuse to jettison a lot of the stuff they never actually wanted in the first place. Compare to Pornhub, which was probably willing to figure out how to do the content moderation because they did in fact set out from the start to make a porn site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Layered on top of it though is that supposedly they weren't intending to make a porn site and have always been kind of butthurt that it became known as a porn site. So it seems like Mastercard is forcing the issue but that on their end it's more like a convenient excuse to jettison a lot of the stuff they never actually wanted in the first place. Compare to Pornhub, which was probably willing to figure out how to do the content moderation because they did in fact set out from the start to make a porn site. I'm guessing maybe the original owner or current minority owner(s) didn't intend for it to be NSFW. The guy who owns it now also owns MFC and according to his wiki, OF became predominantly NSFW when he bought it; likely because he pimped it out to all his camgirls. Leonid Radvinsky - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I mean, once a creator is verified, why would they have to continue verifying every stream? It still shocks me people pay for porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 10:57 PM, Ghost_MH said: Their issues were the same as OnlyFans here. The lack of moderation lead to a lot of illegal content hosted on their site. The biggest difference here is that OnlyFans didn't seem to want to actually perform any kind of moderation and are, instead, opting to just do away with the entire genre. A lot of these tech companies and websites don't want to have to actually moderate anything. They just want to apply algorithms to monitor it all for them, then sit back and watch the money flow in. But unfortunately, that's not a viable solution because no algorithm is perfect. Neither is examining every single piece of created content, because there is so much being created at once that having someone examine and verify it before it gets posted would cause a huge bottleneck and the wait time would approach infinity. I wish I knew what the solution is, but I don't...if there even is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: I mean, once a creator is verified, why would they have to continue verifying every stream? Because a lot of them are putting up videos of them having sex with other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Because a lot of them are putting up videos of them having sex with other people. Yes, but make it clear anyone appearing on OF has to be pre-cleared. It's pretty simple and easy to keep a database of who is cleared by the company. A simple licensing system, and only other licensed individuals allowed in sexual content. Its not like they don't make enough to set it up, and can probably charge a couple of points per transaction to fund it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: It still shocks me people pay for porn. How is porn different from movies, tv, or music in this context? You can get almost all of that for free without effort, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: How is porn different from movies, tv, or music in this context? You can get almost all of that for free without effort, too. I mean, when I go to a movie, I watch the whole movie. When I watch porn, im watching it to get off quick, and every kind of porn I could ever want is already free and readily accessible. No torrents, no vpns, nothing. Its free and legal. To each their own, but I'd never pay for porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 9:35 PM, Jason said: Layered on top of it though is that supposedly they weren't intending to make a porn site and have always been kind of butthurt that it became known as a porn site. So it seems like Mastercard is forcing the issue but that on their end it's more like a convenient excuse to jettison a lot of the stuff they never actually wanted in the first place. That makes sense...but it's still a terrible business decision that will end with the company either shuttering, or at least shrinking and losing a bunch of their employees, etc. It would like if Mr. Donald Pepsi always wanted to sell collectable bottlecaps and accidentally invented a giant soda company...and would be happy if the soda part got shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: I mean, when I go to a movie, I watch the whole movie. When I watch porn, im watching it to get off quick, and every kind of porn I could ever want is already free and readily accessible. No torrents, no vpns, nothing. Its free and legal. To each their own, but I'd never pay for porn. I think you’re overestimating people’s engagement with other media and underestimating people’s engagement with porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 7 hours ago, BloodyHell said: It still shocks me people pay for porn. On onlyfans they aren't exactly "paying for porn" but rather directly supporting the work of someone they like, like a patreon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I think you’re overestimating people’s engagement with other media and underestimating people’s engagement with porn. Today I learned @Kal-El814watches porn for the plot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Today I learned @Kal-El814watches porn for the plot. His cock doesn’t thicken until the plot does! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre801 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Fansly, a lesser known competing platform crashed this week due to the influx of new accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 54 minutes ago, stepee said: His cock doesn’t thicken until the plot does! “Story is terrible, plot hole. How could the pizza guy take 30 minutes for sex as payment when he has other deliveries to make? Totally flaccid because of this.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: “Story is terrible, plot hole. How could the pizza guy take 30 minutes for sex as payment when he has other deliveries to make? Totally flaccid because of this.” Honestly, I picture Kal as being into classy international espeennage spy porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, stepee said: Honestly, I picture Kal as being into classy international espeennage spy porn. I think of him as a bang trickery kind of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 I got ya covered @Kal-El814 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I think you’re overestimating people’s engagement with other media and underestimating people’s engagement with porn. In his defense, he didn't say he didn't believe it, only that he was shocked by it. I too am often shocked by the decisions of the general public, even though I believe it Somehow, even expecting the worse doesn't remove the shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 OnlyFans suspends plan to ban "sexually explicit" content WWW.AXIOS.COM "Thank you to everyone for making your voices heard," the platform tweeted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Well that was a fun idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Probably too late to walk this back, creators won't trust the platform after something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 While Onlyfans is the brand most people think of when it comes to this, the brand name is damaged in eyes of SWs. Seems like a lot of camgirls have bolted to Fansly, which, mentioned above, crashed last week. I've also heard the name Pocketstars, FanCentro, JustForFans thrown around. It's almost like a conglomerate just broke up into many sub-corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chris- said: Probably too late to walk this back, creators won't trust the platform after something like this. It's amazing what happens after everyone decides to jump ship after you make a stupid, horrible decision. This is a lot like that one time I told my billionaire, bikini supermodel astrophysicist girlfriend we should probably see other people. Didn't go the way I planned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Chris- said: Probably too late to walk this back, creators won't trust the platform after something like this. they might be okay. a lot of creators probably won’t want to migrate to a new site and worry about making less money per month. but i’m sure onlyfans is going to continue doing stupid shit, so eventually people will leave lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 18 hours ago, Chris- said: Probably too late to walk this back, creators won't trust the platform after something like this. Do you still trust it, or should I cancel my sub? I need your feet pics in my life, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 There's this bar in Portland called Swift. It's like a hybrid dive bar/night club. They have DJs, mason jar cocktails, and lots of dickheads there every night. I remember when that bar opened. The owner wanted it to be like a poschy beer/cocktail bar with limited food options (in Portland, everyone has to have food options). Initially, it wasn't doing too great. There were a ton of other bars around the place that were doing the same thing only better. Eventually, the bartending staff, who were all friends with each other, started having all of their friends come over. They were all hipster assholes. Before you know it, it became a hipster asshole hangout. Not what the owner wanted, but it was making money. Fast forward to now, what, 6 years later? Guess what's still making money as a stupid fucking hipster hangout shit shed? Swift. Most new bars don't make it 18 months. The level of privilege, fuckery, assholery, tomfoolery, and general fuckiness that it takes for someone to stumble across the fucking gold mine that is OnlyFans and go "but naaaah, that isn't what we wanted" makes me want to kind of murder everyone involved. Like, YOU STUMBLED ACROSS A GOLD MINE AND JUST SAID "BUT WE WANTED COBALT" Ask fucking Pornhub help for their content policies and algorithims, invest *a little bit* in implementing those policies, and then rake in your millions, you fucking troglodytes. If you have any delusions that you can create an alternative to YouTube, godspeed, also you're a bunch of fucking idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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