stepee Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, GameDadGrant said: Well, I mean...it is a bargain. And aren't you paying for Nintendo Online anyway? Why wouldn't anyone do that. It's $20 A YEAR. Those games aren't on Steam, you goon! LOL Are you referring to an emulator? Ha like that will last. You KNOW Nintendo's lawyer-bots will be on that like white on rice in no time. I mean they’ve had almost three decades to attempt that and the emulators keep coming. It’s legal so they can’t actually stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, GameDadGrant said: Well, I mean...it is a bargain. And aren't you paying for Nintendo Online anyway? Why wouldn't anyone do that. It's $20 A YEAR. It's not a bargain it's tacked on to give the service some meaningless value. No I'm not paying for Nintendo Online. My friend has me on a family share thing, he pays for it and he plays online even less than I do. I wouldn't do it because Nintendo has so few online games worth playing and I wouldn't pay $20 a year to keep playing an old game I could play anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, stepee said: I mean they’ve had almost three decades to attempt that and the emulators keep coming. It’s legal so they can’t actually stop it. "Legal." We'll see. Irregardless, it would be great to have another system to play these old games on. I think I toyed around with the idea of modding my PSP back in the day but I never got around to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, Keyser_Soze said: I wouldn't do it because Nintendo has so few online games worth playing Really? Wow. Do you not really play games online? Why not? It's the fuuuuttttuuurrreee, maaaaannn....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, GameDadGrant said: Do you not really play games online? I PLAY plenty of games online I do not play many Nintendo games online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: I PLAY plenty of games online I do not play many Nintendo games online PC games, I assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, GameDadGrant said: PC games, I assume? Mostly PC games. I have an Xbox in case anyone wants to play that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, Keyser_Soze said: I have an Xbox in case anyone wants to play that though Yeah no one does. I keed, I keed. That's cool. I dunno, I get a lot of mileage out of the Switch online service. It's weird to hear that anyone would say that the Switch doesn't have many online games worth playing...but I guess that depends on what you play and what your friends play. I don't even know what games I would play online with a PC, if I bothered to play on PC. Guess I'll have to look into what Steam offers so I can be ready when the Deck comes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, stepee said: I mean they’ve had almost three decades to attempt that and the emulators keep coming. It’s legal so they can’t actually stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, GameDadGrant said: Are you referring to an emulator? Ha like that will last. You KNOW Nintendo's lawyer-bots will be on that like white on rice in no time. Uh, no they won’t. It’s an open platform. You can install Linux applications on it. You can install Windows on it. You can install Retroarch directly from the Steam OS itself, similar to Android devices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, crispy4000 said: Uh, no they won’t. It’s an open platform. You can install Linux applications on it. You can install Windows on it. You can install Retroarch directly from the Steam OS itself, similar to Android devices. Oooookay. If ya say so. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, GameDadGrant said: Oooookay. If ya say so. We'll see. Nintendo can take down ROMS but not Emulators, at least if they don't use any stolen code. Dolphin has been around since 2003, Nintendo can't do anything to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 look man no matter how much it hurts you can’t just will a change in the legality of emulators into existence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 hours ago, stepee said: look man no matter how much it hurts you can’t just will a change in the legality of emulators into existence Hurts? You guys are trying to convince me that I’ll be able to play a whole bunch of my favorite games on this new handheld with a bunch of bonuses...I just have a hard time believing it. If it happens, then that’s awesome. But this feels very “bleem!” to me and I’m very, very skeptical about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, GameDadGrant said: Hurts? You guys are trying to convince me that I’ll be able to play a whole bunch of my favorite games on this new handheld with a bunch of bonuses...I just have a hard time believing it. If it happens, then that’s awesome. But this feels very “bleem!” to me and I’m very, very skeptical about it. They would have to remove Retroarch from the Steam store for your gut to not be totally of the mark. And even that would only be a connivence thing, since Valve has already stated you’ll be able to run 3rd party apps and OS’s not on its storefront. Just like on Steam machines years ago, or how the PC app works now. The only real deterring factor will be if you’re willing to download ROMs or rip them yourself. Think of it more as a Linux laptop with a handheld gaming form factor and UI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, GameDadGrant said: Hurts? You guys are trying to convince me that I’ll be able to play a whole bunch of my favorite games on this new handheld with a bunch of bonuses...I just have a hard time believing it. If it happens, then that’s awesome. But this feels very “bleem!” to me and I’m very, very skeptical about it. You literally could play them on your PC right now, if you wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, GameDadGrant said: I keed, I keed. That's cool. I dunno, I get a lot of mileage out of the Switch online service. It's weird to hear that anyone would say that the Switch doesn't have many online games worth playing...but I guess that depends on what you play and what your friends play. Animal Crossing is the only game I play online on my Switch, and that's only occasionally. My Switch is primarily a single-player game system. Loads of awesome games for the system. Love it to death. I just don't have any games for it that are good online and nothing really comes to mind. Shooters on a console almost all feel bad. Not a sports game guy. Maybe fighters? If the input lag isn't bad? I don't know. I do local multiplayer stuff (Smash, Kart., etc.) but nothing online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, GameDadGrant said: Yeah no one does. I keed, I keed. That's cool. I dunno, I get a lot of mileage out of the Switch online service. It's weird to hear that anyone would say that the Switch doesn't have many online games worth playing...but I guess that depends on what you play and what your friends play. I don't even know what games I would play online with a PC, if I bothered to play on PC. Guess I'll have to look into what Steam offers so I can be ready when the Deck comes out! Everyone plays different sorts of games. In my household, my kids mostly play online -- primarily Roblox and Minecraft -- and the fight is to make sure they get a computer (because they prefer playing them with KB/Mouse) over console. The Switch is a great place to play Nintendo games, but lets face it, Nintendo doesn't make the online games that have the largest online presence, ATM. If you have access to multiple platforms, unless you're travelling, it's hard to find a reason why you would choose Switch as your platform of choice for non-Switch-exclusive online games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Splatoon series is probably the best online multiplayer thing they’ve got. I would have bought 2 by now if they weren’t charging for online. I could see Switch being a decent F2P multiplayer device if you’re okay with not being on competitive footing in cross play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imthesoldier Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Emulators, even Nintendo-based ones, are not going anywhere. They do not use any of the original assets, or hardware that make up the platforms the games played on. Hence, emulation. The program is merely "guessing" (if that's the correct word) what the hardware would've been like, and that is also why you generally need a much more powerful system to play games via an emulator versus original hardware. Legally speaking, Nintendo can't do shit, and they know it. And I believe the same applies to any of their games that are reverse engineered ala Mario 64. None of the original assets were used to create it, so it's a unique and bespoke game created from the ground up. It may look like Mario 64, play like Mario 64, and even sound like Mario 64. But look at the code, and it's not Mario 64 from Nintendo. I believe that's how you can skirt the law, but someone else can correct me if that's not quite accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Emulators are legal as long as no copyrighted software is used to run them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 But somehow steam deck changes everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Alright, if it's legal I don't wanna change anything! It just comes off as *extremely* gray-area. I mean, making a game that is, for all intents and purposes, Super Mario 64, but the code is all different...that's legal? WEIRD. But if these emulators let me play...say, every Castlevania game ever made on it? Sign me up! Also, you guys are weird about your online gaming habits! Yeah, your interests are different from mine so you guys are the weird ones. Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, GameDadGrant said: Alright, if it's legal I don't wanna change anything! It just comes off as *extremely* gray-area. I mean, making a game that is, for all intents and purposes, Super Mario 64, but the code is all different...that's legal? WEIRD. But if these emulators let me play...say, every Castlevania game ever made on it? Sign me up! Also, you guys are weird about your online gaming habits! Yeah, your interests are different from mine so you guys are the weird ones. Not me. Cant think of a Castlevania this won’t play! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, stepee said: Cant think of a Castlevania this won’t play! Probably Judgment because who in their right mind would bother putting the effort in to emulate THAT? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, GameDadGrant said: Probably Judgment because who in their right mind would bother putting the effort in to emulate THAT? LOL. It's a wii game so it will probably run on dolphin pretty easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Yeah Judgement is easily running on it, only ones I was thinking of were the Lord of Darkness ones you can’t emulate well probably on it since they are ps360 but there are Steam versions for those so. The DS games will work great on a 7” screen with a pop out for the second screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, stepee said: Yeah Judgement is easily running on it, only ones I was thinking of were the Lord of Darkness ones you can’t emulate well probably on it since they are ps360 but there are Steam versions for those so. The DS games will work great on a 7” screen with a pop out for the second screen. *Lords of Shadow But yeah the DS games would be cool and the only one that absolutely requires the use of the touch screen is Dawn of Sorrow. The others have modes that have optional touch screen usage. But having the second screen showing the map at all times? That's such a QOL bonus that I honestly missed while playing Bloodstained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 I am gonna have to restart Xenoblade 1 and 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, GameDadGrant said: Alright, if it's legal I don't wanna change anything! It just comes off as *extremely* gray-area. I mean, making a game that is, for all intents and purposes, Super Mario 64, but the code is all different...that's legal? WEIRD. But if these emulators let me play...say, every Castlevania game ever made on it? Sign me up! Also, you guys are weird about your online gaming habits! Yeah, your interests are different from mine so you guys are the weird ones. Not me. The "Rom" that has the Nintendo code is "illegal" to distribute. They're not hard to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, GameDadGrant said: *Lords of Shadow But yeah the DS games would be cool and the only one that absolutely requires the use of the touch screen is Dawn of Sorrow. The others have modes that have optional touch screen usage. But having the second screen showing the map at all times? That's such a QOL bonus that I honestly missed while playing Bloodstained. Yeah the pop out of the second screen on them is nice since you just need the map you can size that screen smaller so you have a larger sized main screen! And since this has a touchscreen, yeah it’ll be great for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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