TwinIon Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, imthesoldier said: And yet, based on that Steamworks video I posted earlier, Valve are supplying dev kits for folks. So I'm wondering if their plan is to get developers to have their games work natively via SteamOS on this, and/or have a proper compatibility layer with Proton (Did Valve have dev kits for their Steam Machines back in the day?). That, and maybe have specific graphic profiles for optimal performance, and fidelity. Valve appears to be taking this whole thing quite seriously if they're supplying dev kits for what is a full-blown Computer in handheld form. At least, that's my take on this. I will be actively checking on updates from Valve as the Deck gets closer to launch. It makes sense for Valve to send out dev kits. They're not that expensive, and the difference between a native game and a poorly optimized one can be huge. Even though it is just a PC, I'm sure Valve wants this to be more of a typical handheld console like experience. You're not going to get that without at least some effort from the devs. If you have to tweak settings in every other game you play on this thing, it's going to drive away a lot of customers. You're certainly not going to pick up a lot of the Switch crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imthesoldier Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, TwinIon said: It makes sense for Valve to send out dev kits. They're not that expensive, and the difference between a native game and a poorly optimized one can be huge. Even though it is just a PC, I'm sure Valve wants this to be more of a typical handheld console like experience. You're not going to get that without at least some effort from the devs. If you have to tweak settings in every other game you play on this thing, it's going to drive away a lot of customers. You're certainly not going to pick up a lot of the Switch crowd. Agreed. I was talking with another buddy of mine on Discord, and he and I both agreed that in order for this to be successful, it has to be a pick up and go system where the end user doesn't have to change any settings to get games to work. I want to say this is why I've been hearing good things about SteamOS 3.0 in regards to its use with Proton, and adding compatibility for windows games on a Linux system. And based on what I read on the Steam subreddit, Linux prefers AMD vs. Intel/nVidia in terms of ease of use, and performance, so that also might come into play. The end result for this should be you don't have to install windows to play games, even though you certainly can. You should be able to boot the system up with its default OS, select a game, and get straight into it. I have no problems with tinkering, but for the vast majority of users, it needs to be pick up and play. Like you said, a more console-like experience is what we're after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 The choice of AMD probably came down to better Linux support and the ability to provide both graphics and the CPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: The choice of AMD probably came down to better Linux support and the ability to provide both graphics and the CPU. Less power draw as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, imthesoldier said: And yet, based on that Steamworks video I posted earlier, Valve are supplying dev kits for folks. So I'm wondering if their plan is to get developers to have their games work natively via SteamOS on this, and/or have a proper compatibility layer with Proton (Did Valve have dev kits for their Steam Machines back in the day?). That, and maybe have specific graphic profiles for optimal performance, and fidelity. Valve appears to be taking this whole thing quite seriously if they're supplying dev kits for what is a full-blown Computer in handheld form. At least, that's my take on this. I will be actively checking on updates from Valve as the Deck gets closer to launch. I think the motivation for sending dev kits goes beyond compatibility and performance testing. Their handheld has a lot of unique aspects about how the controller works and having one on you gives you a lot better sense of how well things will work and what combinations of the multiple input types they support you may want to use. The steam controller would get you a little closer, but even that will be different enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imthesoldier Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yeah, the power draw, or lack thereof is really something for the kind of power this is projected to have. on a similar note, Valve continues to update the page for the Tech Specs of the Steam Deck, this time confirming a 128-bit Bus for the LPDDR5 ram. https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech According to what others were saying, that's 88GB/s of total Bandwidth. Very respectable for a device like this. Not on the level of Xbox Series, or PS5, but given the type of system we're dealing with, that's good to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 The choice of AMD was the existence of an appropriate APU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Think I figured out the mystery of the glass on the 512gb model. Wacom also uses etched glass on its Cintiq, but unlike Apple, it's obviously designed to be touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brian Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Steam Deck OS converting into Big Picture ?? :: Big Picture STEAMCOMMUNITY.COM Welcome to the Steam Big Picture Group! Big Picture features the Steam Store, your Library of games, and your Community of friends, chat and feeds, all in a full-screen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 4:47 AM, imthesoldier said: There’s some good news for you then. if you sign up on EVGA’s website, you can select a 3080 like you want, and it’ll automatically put you in a queue, and will notify when your spot is up. You then have an 8 hour window to purchase the GPU, or you lose your spot, and it goes back into the queue. Best part is you pay msrp on it, or very close to it. Mind you, this process WILL take months, probably at least 6-9 months depending on stock. I put myself on the queue for a 3060 ti back in March, and I’ve still yet to receive a notice when my queue is up. I may not even buy one at this point now that I have the Steam Deck on reserve. That's certainly better than other retailers but Valve and Apple will literally just take your order and ship it when they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 GPD Max is gonna go up for preorders on July 29th. Intel and AMD options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: GPD Max is gonna go up for preorders on July 29th. Intel and AMD options. Those prices. Valve says they want other manufacturers to join the handheld market and use SteamOS but manufacturers are gonna struggle to match Valve’s pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 9 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Steam Deck OS converting into Big Picture ?? :: Big Picture STEAMCOMMUNITY.COM Welcome to the Steam Big Picture Group! Big Picture features the Steam Store, your Library of games, and your Community of friends, chat and feeds, all in a full-screen... About time that got a refresh. I’ll still be sticking with my Launchbox setup though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Those prices. Valve says they want other manufacturers to join the handheld market and use SteamOS but manufacturers are gonna struggle to match Valve’s pricing. And perf until RDNA2 makes it to laptop GPUs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Those prices. Valve says they want other manufacturers to join the handheld market and use SteamOS but manufacturers are gonna struggle to match Valve’s pricing. I get why Valve said it, but they damn well know that nobody will be able to compete with their pricing model. They can take the console strategy and eat the costs given they own the storefront. The only others who could do that are Microsoft and Epic. Companies like Dell have to turn a profit up front as they have no other way to recoup the costs. I'm sure they're looking at the interest to consider the release of the Alienware UFO, but it'll very much be a boutique item with some flashier features to try to entice those with deeper pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 @stepee @Mr.Vic20 @Zaku3 @vaxick @imthesoldier 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brian Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 @stepee @Mr.Vic20@Zaku3 @vaxick @imthesoldier 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Man looking at them holding it, it looks so much more sleek and like an actual handheld than something like the old gpd’s shell. It’s huge but it’s not that thick for a portable pc, this thing is so fucking exciting lll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, stepee said: Man looking at them holding it, it looks so much more sleek and like an actual handheld than something like the old gpd’s shell. It’s huge but it’s not that thick for a portable pc, this thing is so fucking exciting lll. There are perks to a handheld designed by a team NOT working out of a shipping container on a dock somewhere in Shenzhen China! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: There are perks to a handheld designed by a team NOT working out of a shipping container on a dock somewhere in Shenzhen China! Yeah, non ironic “bless their hearts” out to GPD for trying but it’s like we’ve been playing the failed prototypes for the final actual device we wanted in the deck. This is that point in this type of devices timeline where I think you’ll finally be able to recommend one without several paragraphs of caveats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, stepee said: Yeah, non ironic “bless their hearts” out to GPD for trying but it’s like we’ve been playing the failed prototypes for the final actual device we wanted in the deck. This is that point in this type of devices timeline where I think you’ll finally be able to recommend one without several paragraphs of caveats. Exactly! Just imagine not having to discuss how to undervolt your CPU game by game! That's some fancy talk right there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Exactly! Just imagine not having to discuss how to undervolt your CPU game by game! That's some fancy talk right there! Wow if that is the case, either you or stepee will be providing remote support. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 16 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: @stepee @Mr.Vic20@Zaku3 @vaxick @imthesoldier Yes this will play Warframe exactly like I want to play it! Plenty of buttons, precise ways to aim and joysticks for navigation. Thanks for that video super excited about the controls... in the future I want a PC to hook up to my TV and this will be a great controller for that (will set up the touchscreen as a keyboard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Watch Gaben talk for nearly 30 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Watch Gaben talk for nearly 30 minutes Im not sure what look he is going for, but whatever it is, he NAILED it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 4:02 AM, DPCyric said: Yes this will play Warframe exactly like I want to play it! Plenty of buttons, precise ways to aim and joysticks for navigation. Thanks for that video super excited about the controls... in the future I want a PC to hook up to my TV and this will be a great controller for that (will set up the touchscreen as a keyboard). Wait you can do that? Use it as a game pad setting the screen to a keyboard or other buttons and what not to play your main pc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, stepee said: Im not sure what look he is going for, but whatever it is, he NAILED it. To pwn Nintendo. Probably was hyped for Age of Calamity and tried the demo and went WTF is this performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, stepee said: Im not sure what look he is going for, but whatever it is, he NAILED it. God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: God? Closest I could think of what he was going for too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: To pwn Nintendo. Probably was hyped for Age of Calamity and tried the demo and went WTF is this performance. Emulated Age of Calamity on deck will be interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, stepee said: Im not sure what look he is going for, but whatever it is, he NAILED it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, stepee said: Wait you can do that? Use it as a game pad setting the screen to a keyboard or other buttons and what not to play your main pc? They haven't said that but considering it is a PC device I'm sure someone will implement that feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, DPCyric said: They haven't said that but considering it is a PC device I'm sure someone will implement that feature. Would be sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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