Paperclyp Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Honestly there’s not much more to say, I would never tell someone on a budget they should not honor that budget, but I hope it’s clear I genuinely didn’t think that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Lordy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyser_Soze Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Paperclyp said: Honestly there’s not much more to say, I would never tell someone on a budget they should not honor that budget, but I hope it’s clear I genuinely didn’t think that was the case. It's not a budget concern it's a perception of value concern 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Imagine $20 breaking you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Biggie said: Imagine $20 breaking you. For some people it could be the difference between a new game or a case of YooHoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: For some people it could be the difference between a new game or a case of YooHoo Well shit I think you know what I’m buying then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I don’t think Bacon’s posts are that weird in this one idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, stepee said: I don’t think Bacon’s posts are that weird in this one idk. Which one is you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, stepee said: I don’t think Bacon’s posts are that weird in this one idk. I think you're right. If something looks good but not quite $60 the answer shouldn't be "buy it" it should be "don't buy it" If I went to the grocery store and there was a $60 watermelon but I know there are other watermelons that are like it, cheaper and just as good, you don't buy the $60 watermelon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Which one is you? lol which do you think? far right, percocet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Like for me, I don’t really think of it that way and I don’t care that this is $60, but I get what he is saying and why that kinda of attitude back of “just pay the extra” bothers him in that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Getting back to actually discussing the game... I wonder how Kraid is back. Must be a clone, right? Zebes blew up! There's no way he survived that. I think at this point I'm done watching more trailers. I know I'm picking this up day one, so I might just go on a media blackout from here on out. I do have to say though that the more I think about it, the less I like the heavy use of black in the foreground. I understand using it is probably to keep the game at 60fps, but I think it's being overused a bit, which creates a lot of dead space on the screen. There is a lot of screen real estate that ends up just being blank. I think they could use a bit of edging that vignettes to black. Like look at that. That's a bit much for such a tiny spot. If that square block in front of Samus had the texture of whatever it's made of it would look better, and if the surrounding area also had that much space around the edges before fading to black it would be better. That's just a bit too much wasted space. Obviously 60fps is ideal, and preferred, but surely they could have used a bit of texturing by the edges I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I dunno man, I think only the Mario and Zelda devs know the secret sauce to make Switch games not look and run like ass, and even then you have to exclude the fucking original Game Boy remake of Link's Awakening because it frequently drops to annoyingly low FPS. Everyone else seems to be hindered by awful performance and ultra low quality visuals. Bravely Default 2, despite being a turn-based JRPG, runs so badly that the unresponsive menus alone sapped away my will to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I’m interested to see if Nintendo does their thing where they look at the landscape if a genre and ignore it and just do it their own way, or if it will just be a solid one of those. The metroid aesthetic is appealing enough to me that I won’t care either way, but I kinda hope is the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokt Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Brick said: Getting back to actually discussing the game... I wonder how Kraid is back. Must be a clone, right? Zebes blew up! There's no way he survived that. I dunno, we’ve had mecha and x-Ridley. I think they confirmed the X parasite is back? I didn’t read the article so not sure if it’s just an assumption or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Nokt said: I dunno, we’ve had mecha and x-Ridley. I think they confirmed the X parasite is back? I didn’t read the article so not sure if it’s just an assumption or not. Clone or X copy is what I'm thinking. Ridley was cloned on the Bottle Ship, so it stands to reason that the Federation has Kraid's DNA as well, and I'm willing to bet that the Federation is involved with what's going on on ZDR. I do however think they need to step beyond using Ridley and Kraid over and over again, especially for any game post Super. Kind of cheapens their appearance, especially for anything after Super since Zebes blew up, so that should have been their final deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Paperclyp said: I’m interested to see if Nintendo does their thing where they look at the landscape if a genre and ignore it and just do it their own way, or if it will just be a solid one of those. The metroid aesthetic is appealing enough to me that I won’t care either way, but I kinda hope is the former. Most Metroidvanias today heavily draw on RPG mechanics, skill trees and/or currency. Avoiding that stuff already puts in a smaller crowd, IMO. Being chased by some invincible thing narrows it down even further. Only Metroid Fusion and Prince of Persia: Warrior Within fit that bill. I am a little concerned it will retread Fusion too much. Though Fusion-but-better could still be a good thing, especially 20 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 so are the RPG mechanics, leveling up and skill trees the “-vania” part of the formula? cause im ok without that crap… i always did enjoy the minimalist storytelling too.. very calculated and interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, 5timechamp said: so are the RPG mechanics, leveling up and skill trees the “-vania” part of the formula? cause im ok without that crap… i always did enjoy the minimalist storytelling too.. very calculated and interesting Castlevania Symphony of the Night introduced that, and helped make the genre popular, but really a Metroidvania refers to level design of an interconnected world that you have areas to backtrack and come back to when you have a new power up to progress where you couldn't before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, 5timechamp said: so are the RPG mechanics, leveling up and skill trees the “-vania” part of the formula? cause im ok without that crap… i always did enjoy the minimalist storytelling too.. very calculated and interesting Yes. Technically, the Metroid games shouldn't be included in it IMO. But popular use determines it. 1 hour ago, Brick said: Castlevania Symphony of the Night introduced that, and helped make the genre popular, but really a Metroidvania refers to level design of an interconnected world that you have areas to backtrack and come back to when you have a new power up to progress where you couldn't before. Then the -vania implies nothing. It didn’t popularize that design. Metroid did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokt Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, crispy4000 said: Then the -vania implies nothing. It didn’t popularize that design. Metroid did. From what I've seen, the earlier Castlevania games aren't typically included in the Metroidvania genre. SOTN was the reason for the -vania part. Its a super vague, not well defined, genre regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 9:07 AM, Bacon said: Because I can't just buy every game I want. Just get the game! Idiot. It is like asking why I haven't gotten a $4000 PC. Well, I didn't know I could just get it. I didn't know money wasn't real and that the price tag was more of a suggestion. The amount of playtime I can get out of a game is very important. I spend could 60 on something that lasts two days or 60 on something that last for weeks or even months. Who gives a shit? I fuckin do. Can't ya fuckin tell? Just get it. Just don't don't die. Just be smart. Just don't drink water. Just do anything you want because just. In the amount of time you are thinking about, complaining about, reading about, and posting about this, you could have easily whored yourself out for $100+... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nokt said: From what I've seen, the earlier Castlevania games aren't typically included in the Metroidvania genre. SOTN was the reason for the -vania part. Its a super vague, not well defined, genre regardless. Yup, I know. It’s still odd to think that SOTN popularized the genre when it actually didn’t sell that great. The original NES Metroid outsold it roughly m 2:1. And inspired a bunch of other 8-bit games too like Blaster Master, Rygar, Monster Boy III, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Yeah, I had known of SOTN before I knew of Metroid. I didn't know of Metroid until Prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Yup, I know. It’s still odd to think that SOTN popularized the genre when it actually didn’t sell that great. The original NES Metroid outsold it roughly m 2:1. And inspired a bunch of other 8-bit games too like Blaster Master, Rygar, Monster Boy III, etc. SOTN took inspiration from Super Metroid, and many following Castlevania games followed suit, helping this subgenre grow. Many other Metroidvania games take inspiration from Super Metroid and SOTN, hence why the subgenre is called Metroidvania because they take inspiration from Metroid and Castlevania games, particularly those two. Technically the -vania suffix is redundant since it all goes back to Metroid, so really we should just be calling these games Metroid-like games, just like how we call games Zelda-like, Rogue-like, or Souls-like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Brick said: SOTN took inspiration from Super Metroid, and many following Castlevania games followed suit, helping this subgenre grow. Many other Metroidvania games take inspiration from Super Metroid and SOTN, hence why the subgenre is called Metroidvania because they take inspiration from Metroid and Castlevania games, particularly those two. Technically the -vania suffix is redundant since it all goes back to Metroid, so really we should just be calling these games Metroid-like games, just like how we call games Zelda-like, Rogue-like, or Souls-like. That would be more consistent, or at the very least avoid the oddity of describing Metroid games as Metroidvanias. 2 hours ago, Bacon said: Yeah, I had known of SOTN before I knew of Metroid. I didn't know of Metroid until Prime. Impressive, considering Samus was a poster child in two Smash Bros games by then. Also given Super Metroid’s notoriety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Impressive, considering Samus was a poster child in two Smash Bros games by then. Also given Super Metroid’s notoriety. Well, I was only 8 when the first Smash Bros came out. I didn't know all the characters in that game. Had no clue who Ness or Falcon was either. Not sure if I knew who Falcon was before F-Zero GX game out either. Well, I probably kind of knew of their games for both Falcon and Samus, since they have like the trophies and shit I think, but I had never seen any of their games in action. I had much more exposure to Castlevania. I watched my dad play the fuck out of Super Castlevania and I watched him beat SOTN, and I tried to play Castlevania 64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I’m just hear to remind everyone that Lords of Shadow was a great fucking game and was an infinitely better God of War than God of War. carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: I’m just hear to remind everyone that Lords of Shadow was a great fucking game and was an infinitely better God of War than God of War. carry on. I can't say that I disagree in the least! The first Lords of Shadow game is freakin' great, if maybe a tad bit long for its own good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokt Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: I’m just hear to remind everyone that Lords of Shadow was a great fucking game and was an infinitely better God of War than God of War. carry on. New GoW or old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nokt said: New GoW or old? Any God of War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Mercury33 said: I’m just hear to remind everyone that Lords of Shadow was a great fucking game and was an infinitely better God of War than God of War. carry on. Same developer as Metroid Dread! I need to get around to LoS someday. Is 2 as bad as the reviewers say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokt Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: Any God of War Eh I'm not huge on old GoW, but the new game is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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