b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Gain of ~232k, 1 million were expected. ADP has 725k but it's not as good as the bls numbers generally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Dudes are up half a million, women are down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 well that is less than great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Thanks Sleepy Joe for overheating the economy and paying for people to stay home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Thanks Jobsbama! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 ahh, there it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Hmmmm women are 55% of the population but have lost the most when it comes to employement... and there is a labor shortage apparently... I wonder if there's a connection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: ahh, there it is So when you essentially force people to return to jobs that require them to leave the home before in school learning is back up and running, who watches the kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: ahh, there it is From essential workers to indentured servants in the span of a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: So when you essentially force people to return to jobs that require them to leave the home before in school learning is back up and running, who watches the kids? But millennials are killing the birthrate! These women are just welfare-diggers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Hmmmm women are 55% of the population but have lost the most when it comes to employement... and there is a labor shortage apparently... I wonder if there's a connection Care for children and elderly (especially relevant are those who might have gotten covid, survived, and need care) falls disproportionately on women shame we can't do anything to help these unpaid laborers! Shame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 April jobs report surprise: Is this a labor shortage or a great reassessment of work in America? - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM Hiring was much weaker than expected in April. Wall Street thinks it’s a blip, but there could be a much deeper re-think going on of what jobs are needed and what workers want to do on a daily basis. Quote It’s happening on a lot of different levels. At the most basic level, people are still hesitant to return to work until they are fully vaccinated and their children are back in school and daycare full-time. It’s telling that all the job gains in April went to men. The number of women employed or looking for work fell by 64,000, a reminder that childcare issues are still in play. Quote A Pew Research Center survey early this year found that 66 percent of the unemployed had “seriously considered” changing their field of work, a far greater percentage than during the Great Recession. People who used to work in restaurants or travel are finding higher-paying jobs in warehouses or real estate, for example. Or they want to a job that is more stable and less likely to be exposed to the coronavirus -- or any other deadly virus down the road. Consider that grocery stores shed 49,000 workers in April and nursing care facilities lost nearly 20,000. Quote Even among those who have jobs, people are rethinking their options. Frontline workers are reporting high levels of burnout, causing some to seek a new career path. There’s also been a wave of retirements as workers over 50 quit because they don’t want to return to teaching, home health care or other frontline jobs. And more affluent Americans say they are retiring early because their retirement portfolios have surged in the past year and the pandemic has taught them that life is short. Quote The overall expectation is still for hiring to pick up this summer as the economy re-opens fully and more people are vaccinated. But the past year has fundamentally changed the economy and what many Americans want in their working life. This big reassessment — for companies and workers — is going to take awhile to sort out and it could continue to pop up in surprising ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TyphoidHater Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: https://mobile.twitter.com/smirnoff_sprite/status/1390721496302198785 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: April jobs report surprise: Is this a labor shortage or a great reassessment of work in America? - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM Hiring was much weaker than expected in April. Wall Street thinks it’s a blip, but there could be a much deeper re-think going on of what jobs are needed and what workers want to do on a daily basis. Something that hasn't been talked about that much, that I have seen a lot in my own life, is how many people are retiring early or finally retiring. I think this is especially prevalent in teaching, but it is happening all over. Older folks tend to continue working out of habit or a sense of responsibility. How many older folks do you know in your life that have been saying, "I'll probably work for just one more year and then retire". And they have been saying it for 5 years. What the virus did, especially because Trump fostered an environment of not giving a damn about them, is that these older folks were finally pushed off that cliff. And people who would have worked another half a decade telling themselves "just one more year" are out of the workforce. And once they dropped out. Once they are out of the habit. Once they don't feel that responsibility to the kids they are teaching or their fellow workers, they are gone. They ain't coming back. I myself stayed at a shitty job because I like a routine. The virus blew up that routine no matter what I do, so I really have no choice but to reevaluate my options. I think to some extent both of those examples, and some of the stuff listed in your link, are all a part of a similar situation. We all had our lives forcibly turned upside down over the past year. Not only has it motivated people to rethink their options, in many cases it has forced us to because either way there is no routine to go back to. Whatever we do next is going to be different, so might as well try to improve the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Something that hasn't been talked about that much, that I have seen a lot in my own life, is how many people are retiring early or finally retiring. I think this is especially prevalent in teaching, but it is happening all over. Older folks tend to continue working out of habit or a sense of responsibility. How many older folks do you know in your life that have been saying, "I'll probably work for just one more year and then retire". And they have been saying it for 5 years. What the virus did, especially because Trump fostered an environment of not giving a damn about them, is that these older folks were finally pushed off that cliff. And people who would have worked another half a decade telling themselves "just one more year" are out of the workforce. And once they dropped out. Once they are out of the habit. Once they don't feel that responsibility to the kids they are teaching or their fellow workers, they are gone. They ain't coming back. I myself stayed at a shitty job because I like a routine. The virus blew up that routine no matter what I do, so I really have no choice but to reevaluate my options. I think to some extent both of those examples, and some of the stuff listed in your link, are all a part of a similar situation. We all had our lives forcibly turned upside down over the past year. Not only has it motivated people to rethink their options, in many cases it has forced us to because either way there is no routine to go back to. Whatever we do next is going to be different, so might as well try to improve the situation. I can speak that a lot of people at my company that were there for a certain number of years were offered to retire in November. And yet they haven't hired anyone new to replace them so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 UI doesn’t have to be more than wages to discourage employment, though I still think the UI issue is overblown and just another way to pit employers against employees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: So when you essentially force people to return to jobs that require them to leave the home before in school learning is back up and running, who watches the kids? As it was meant to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Chairslinger said: Something that hasn't been talked about that much, that I have seen a lot in my own life, is how many people are retiring early or finally retiring. I think this is especially prevalent in teaching, but it is happening all over. Older folks tend to continue working out of habit or a sense of responsibility. How many older folks do you know in your life that have been saying, "I'll probably work for just one more year and then retire". And they have been saying it for 5 years. What the virus did, especially because Trump fostered an environment of not giving a damn about them, is that these older folks were finally pushed off that cliff. And people who would have worked another half a decade telling themselves "just one more year" are out of the workforce. And once they dropped out. Once they are out of the habit. Once they don't feel that responsibility to the kids they are teaching or their fellow workers, they are gone. They ain't coming back. I myself stayed at a shitty job because I like a routine. The virus blew up that routine no matter what I do, so I really have no choice but to reevaluate my options. I think to some extent both of those examples, and some of the stuff listed in your link, are all a part of a similar situation. We all had our lives forcibly turned upside down over the past year. Not only has it motivated people to rethink their options, in many cases it has forced us to because either way there is no routine to go back to. Whatever we do next is going to be different, so might as well try to improve the situation. A guy i work with and i have known for almost 20 years retired from his career before returning to where i work now. Last year he had some health issues and retired a second time. Just recently he came back again at the age of 77! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Even among those who have jobs, people are rethinking their options. Frontline workers are reporting high levels of burnout Dear fucking lord, I want to blow my fucking brains out after every shift these days. 1 hour ago, Chairslinger said: Older folks tend to continue working out of habit or a sense of responsibility. How many older folks do you know in your life that have been saying, "I'll probably work for just one more year and then retire". And they have been saying it for 5 years. What the virus did, especially because Trump fostered an environment of not giving a damn about them, is that these older folks were finally pushed off that cliff. My dad did the opposite. He's been retired for over a decade and suddenly he was having to spend a lot more time at home with his girlfriend. We started doing charity work together a couple days a week, next thing I knew he was working 7 days a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 If i could find a job working from home i would definitely quit my frontline job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Dear fucking lord, I want to blow my fucking brains out after every shift these days. I feel the same way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 WFH was awesome for a minute, now it makes me want to abandon my family and go drive 120 mph off a bridge. You know, seeing as I can’t do drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: You know, seeing as I can’t do drugs. Not with that attitude. (kidding, I can't either) One of my roommates was working from home for about 4-5 months, then his work told him "you know, I don't know why we ever had you come into the office anyway, you just work from home now." He realized all he needed for work was a laptop and an internet connection, so he retrofitted his SUV into a camper and went on a 5 month climbing trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Not with that attitude. (kidding, I can't either) One of my roommates was working from home for about 4-5 months, then his work told him "you know, I don't know why we ever had you come into the office anyway, you just work from home now." He realized all he needed for work was a laptop and an internet connection, so he retrofitted his SUV into a camper and went on a 5 month climbing trip. Unfortunately I can’t trade my kids in for a camper SUV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: Unfortunately I can’t trade my kids in for a camper SUV Not with that attitude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: WFH was awesome for a minute, now it makes me want to abandon my family and go drive 120 mph off a bridge. You know, seeing as I can’t do drugs. Can't or won't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Biden seizes on disappointing job numbers to make the case for his $4 trillion in spending plans WWW.MSN.COM Republicans pointed to the lackluster growth as evidence that the president's policies are discouraging people from working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: WFH was awesome for a minute, now it makes me want to abandon my family and go drive 120 mph off a bridge. You know, seeing as I can’t do drugs. I love it because I don't have to put up the facade that I'm doing work when I'm not doing work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jason said: Can't or won't? Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I'll say this. It might be that I'm in a different place in my life, but I'm far more productive working from home than I was waking up at 5:00 am and driving 80 minutes to Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Uaarkson said: I'll say this. It might be that I'm in a different place in my life, but I'm far more productive working from home than I was waking up at 5:00 am and driving 80 minutes to Detroit. You aren't the only one...and I have toddlers running around while I work. I've checked on my time. I realized that even with the kids, it breaks even to being in the office. There are fewer pointless meetings because nobody REALLY likes Zoom. All the time I spend potty training is no different than dealing with folks randomly dropping by because their mouse stopped working when I don't even do that kind of work. Not everyone in IT is tech support. Yeah, I'd rather have to deal with my youngest sit on my lap while I run maintenance on a bunch of servers than the dude down the hall whose complaining about his laptop making weird clicking sounds. At least I can get work done with a two year old hanging on my shoulders pretending I'm the laziest horse in the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I literally woke up at 7:18am yesterday and said "oh shit, I gotta be at work in two minutes." And then I was, because I just need to put on PJs and wake up my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Uaarkson said: I'll say this. It might be that I'm in a different place in my life, but I'm far more productive working from home than I was waking up at 5:00 am and driving 80 minutes to Detroit. The software developers at my company have also been far more productive since working from home. It’s why the VP of engineering is in no hurry to rule the developers need to go back into the office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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