PaladinSolo Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 8 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Iirc saddam also thought the war talk was bluster. Miscalculations left and right! Well you see, he didn't have weapons of mass destruction and thought we weren't stupid enough to think he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Maybe Biden ate that portion of the readout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 7:09 PM, Fizzzzle said: I think the people saying "we should have pulled all the allies and civilians out before the military" are kind of missing that it seems like even doing that would have led to collapse just as fast. Of course hindsight and all that, but people would have surely noticed "hey, weird, the Americans just evacuated the entire embassy, maybe something is afoot" and the afghan military would have just given up then and there, and we'd be in the same situation. The Afghan military folded not because we decided to pull out, but because we stopped giving all assistance to them, and apparently even barred civilian contractors from working with them on basic stuff like maintaining equipment. There is no good way to leave, but don’t down play the absolutely ridiculous way we decided to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 6 hours ago, sblfilms said: The Afghan military folded not because we decided to pull out, but because we stopped giving all assistance to them, and apparently even barred civilian contractors from working with them on basic stuff like maintaining equipment. There is no good way to leave, but don’t down play the absolutely ridiculous way we decided to do it. No, it folded because it was incompetent and deeply corrupt, funneling billions to leadership instead of paying its soldiers, anyone that knew how to fight basically joined the taliban cause they got paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: No, it folded because it was incompetent and deeply corrupt, funneling billions to leadership instead of paying its soldiers, anyone that knew how to fight basically joined the taliban cause they got paid. I was just thinking we should offer to take care of some fighters families if they take out Taliban leadership. Then that made me go, oh.. that's why the Taliban is making sure to purge people who have worked with us. A bunch of those well dresses dudes chasing airplanes.. how are they so well dressed? I didn't say anything when I saw the clip but your comment aligns a lot of observations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 "Department of Defense Activates Civil Reserve Air Fleet to Assist With Afghanistan Efforts > U.S. Department of Defense > Release" Department of Defense Activates Civil Reserve Air Fleet to Assist With WWW.DEFENSE.GOV Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III has ordered the Commander of U.S. Transportation Command to activate Stage I of the Civil Reserve Air Fleet. Quote The current activation is for 18 aircraft: three each from American Airlines, Atlas Air, Delta Air Lines and Omni Air; two from Hawaiian Airlines; and four from United Airlines. The Department does not anticipate a major impact to commercial flights from this activation. CRAF activated aircraft will not fly into Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul. They will be used for the onward movement of passengers from temporary safe havens and interim staging bases. Activating CRAF increases passenger movement beyond organic capability and allows military aircraft to focus on operations in and out of in Kabul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Australia denies At Risk Afghan Employees visas to Afghans who helped guard embassy in Kabul - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The federal government denies visas to a group of more than 100 Afghan contractors who guarded the Australian embassy, telling them to "contact a migration agent". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jason said: Australia denies At Risk Afghan Employees visas to Afghans who helped guard embassy in Kabul - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The federal government denies visas to a group of more than 100 Afghan contractors who guarded the Australian embassy, telling them to "contact a migration agent". That's why I think some of these ppl being left behind were some of the money pocketing corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: No, it folded because it was incompetent and deeply corrupt, funneling billions to leadership instead of paying its soldiers, anyone that knew how to fight basically joined the taliban cause they got paid. What do you think “assistance” means in this context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 People: "Hey what if we brought in a bunch of planes, gave people food, and took people out to save them? Like in Berlin, post-WWII?" US leadership: "Sounds good. Wait...are these people white?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Chaotic evacuation from Afghanistan was inevitable, Biden insists WWW.MARINECORPSTIMES.COM About 11,000 individuals have been evacuated from the country in the last few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Biden’s whole ‘Al Qaeda is not active in Afghanistan’ statement is not going over well. But once a gaffe machine, always a gaffe machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 The money shot from a really good thread: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Afghanistan: US decision to withdraw lays bare a not so special relationship - BBC News Quote So I nearly choked on my Sunday morning granola bowl when I saw that he had used the word "imbecilic" to describe the justification for Joe Biden's Afghanistan policy. He didn't actually call the US president an imbecile, but someone as media cute as Mr Blair would have known it would be written up as though he had. And sure enough the headlines were: "Blair calls Biden imbecilic." .... America acted unilaterally over Afghanistan - actually maybe that should be Joe Biden acted unilaterally. The administration was not much interested in what the UK thought. Mr Biden, from what I have been told, was not much interested in the red flags being raised by his intel community and military top brass, or by the warnings delivered from London. He wanted out. The warnings of HM Government - and my understanding is they were made strenuously - fell on deaf, indifferent ears in Washington. In those circumstances - and let me depersonalise this - what is a British prime minister to do? If the 800lb gorilla is going to leave the room, what is the much smaller primate meant to do? The idea that the British armed forces could have swarmed in to fill the vacuum left by a US withdrawal is unrealistic. .... It has also been suggested in some sections of the British press that this would never have happened during the supposed acme of the "special relationship" when Ronald Reagan was in the White House and Margaret Thatcher was at Number 10. Are you kidding me? Does anyone remember what happened in the Caribbean island of Grenada, in 1983? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Afghanistan: US decision to withdraw lays bare a not so special relationship - BBC News In addition, the "special relationship" between the UK and US was practically absent during the Falklands War of 1982 when the US hemmed and hawed about supporting the UK when its territory in the South Atlantic was invaded by the right-wing Argentinian military regime that was a staunch ally of Washington. The UK needs to disabuse itself of the notion that this "special relationship" actually exists in the way it pretends that it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 We literally fought two wars to not give a shit about what the Brits say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 All these warmongers are just upset it's coming to an end (for now) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Seriously tho the media is playing this shit. How many soldiers died and bombed weddings happened since 2008 that went unreported. They don't give a fuck, it's just theater and drama for some attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, SuperSpreader said: Seriously tho the media is playing this shit. How many soldiers died and bombed weddings happened since 2008 that went unreported. And hospitals! Pentagon Report Says Airstrike On Afghan Hospital Wasn't A War Crime WWW.NPR.ORG The Pentagon's investigation says none of the military personnel involved knew they were attacking a hospital. It says the assault, which killed dozens of people, was caused by a series of... But the people doing the crime says it wasn't a crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Taliban issue death sentence for brother of Afghan translator who helped US troops, according to letters obtained by CNN - CNNPolitics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Taliban issue death sentence for brother of Afghan translator who helped US troops, according to letters obtained by CNN - CNNPolitics Gets death threat for working for the Americans, turns over Intel to the Americans (CNN). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Quote She has been watching in horror as the Taliban has taken over territory after territory in Afghanistan after U.S. forces exited the country they have occupied since 2001, a move Saqeb Jamal said has been orchestrated poorly. “The U.S. could pull out, but they didn’t have to sell us out to the terrorists,” she said, referring to the Taliban. “They handed over my country to the terrorists.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Underrated but greasy Greek economist Yanis Varoufakis points out that Star Trek-based version of US foreign policy that would be 10,000x better than our current paradigm and 10,000,000x better than the one that got us into Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 DCI met with the Taliban leader in Kabul yesterday. "CIA Director William Burns held secret meeting in Kabul with Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar - The Washington Post" https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/burns-afghanistan-baradar-biden/2021/08/24/c96bee5c-04ba-11ec-ba15-9c4f59a60478_story.html I imagine the substance of the discussion was "What's the price to extend the deadline beyond August 31?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Afghanistan: Nations warn not everyone will get out of Afghanistan by deadline - BBC News WWW.BBC.COM Some 58,700 people wishing to flee Afghanistan have left, amid a scramble to leave before 31 August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Underrated but greasy Greek economist Yanis Varoufakis points out that Star Trek-based version of US foreign policy that would be 10,000x better than our current paradigm and 10,000,000x better than the one that got us into Afghanistan. Valve's hat economist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Valve's hat economist? Exactly that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 US has no plans to delay Afghanistan exit beyond 31 August, Pentagon says | Afghanistan | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM UK efforts to persuade Washington to extend Kabul airlift operation appear to have failed Quote British efforts to persuade the US to extend its humanitarian airlift in Afghanistan beyond the end of the month appear to have failed, with the Pentagon saying on Tuesday there was “no change” to its planned timetable to remove US forces from Kabul by 31 August. Boris Johnson had been expected to ask the US President, Joe Biden, about the possibility of allowing more time to remove people during on online meeting of G7 leaders taking place on Tuesday afternoon. However, in a Pentagon briefing, US admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said: “There’s been no change to the timeline of the mission, which is to have it done by the end of the month.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 ‘This Is Actually Happening’ - POLITICO WWW.POLITICO.COM Inside the Biden team’s five-day scramble as Afghanistan collapsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Who do you think will be the next country that we'll drum up another reason to invade in another 5 or so years so defense contractors can get rich? My money's on.... Ethiopia, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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