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Kal-El814 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Hey, you know, a broken clock and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I guess the time is about right for these types of articles to show up: Does the Great Retreat from Afghanistan Mark the End of the American Era? | The New Yorker WWW.NEWYORKER.COM It’s a dishonorable end that weakens U.S. standing in the world, perhaps irrevocably. Quote It’s not just an epic defeat for the United States. The fall of Kabul may serve as a bookend for the era of U.S. global power. In the nineteen-forties, the United States launched the Great Rescue to help liberate Western Europe from the powerful Nazi war machine. It then used its vast land, sea, and air power to defeat the formidable Japanese empire in East Asia. Eighty years later, the U.S. is engaged in what historians may someday call a Great Retreat from a ragtag militia that has no air power or significant armor and artillery, in one of the poorest countries in the world. From my perspective, the global standing of the United States of America was irreparably, irrevocably weakened on 20 March 2003. Everything that's happened since that point onwards has merely been the supporting evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 This really does shed some light on Biden's actions over the last several days: Biden in 2010 reportedly told a US diplomat 'f--- that' when asked if the US should stay in Afghanistan to prevent a humanitarian crisis WWW.BUSINESSINSIDER.COM "F--- that, we don't have to worry about that. We did it in Vietnam, Nixon and Kissinger got away with it," Biden reportedly said. And apparently this attitude ain't exactly new: Quote When Biden was a senator in 1975, he objected to providing funding to help evacuate South Vietnamese, many of whom were desperate to get out of the country as it fell to North Vietnamese troops. "The US has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese," Biden said at the time, though after Saigon fell he did vote in favor of a resolution welcoming Vietnamese refugees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 thanks joebama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This really does shed some light on Biden's actions over the last several days: Biden in 2010 reportedly told a US diplomat 'f--- that' when asked if the US should stay in Afghanistan to prevent a humanitarian crisis WWW.BUSINESSINSIDER.COM "F--- that, we don't have to worry about that. We did it in Vietnam, Nixon and Kissinger got away with it," Biden reportedly said. And apparently this attitude ain't exactly new: War never changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, brucoe said: War never changes. Apparently neither does Joe Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Add this to the growing pile of things that are horrible on a human level but I genuinely have no idea what a better solution would be let alone a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Won't Biden have to get permission from the Taliban (who are now the government of Afghanistan) permission to bring in more US troops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Won't Biden have to get permission from the Taliban (who are now the government of Afghanistan) permission to bring in more US troops? Cause if theres 1 thing the US military does its ask for permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Won't Biden have to get permission from the Taliban (who are now the government of Afghanistan) permission to bring in more US troops? That's probably part of whatever agreement that was struck between the Taliban representatives and the CENTCOM commander in Doha yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Jeeeeeesus Biden is going in HARD on the now former Afghan leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Quote I stand behind my decision...I always promised the American people that I would be straight with you. The truth is this did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated, so what happened, Afghanistan’s political leaders gave up and fled the country, the Afghan military collapsed, sometimes without even trying to fight. There is no chance one more year, five more years or 20 more years of American boots on the ground would make any difference. It is wrong to ask American troops when Afghanistan’s would not. How many more generations of America’s daughters and sons would you have me send to fight Afghanistan’s civil war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Jeeeeeesus Biden is going in HARD on the now former Afghan leadership. Rumsfeld? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 That speech was essentially: I made my decision. I'm sticking with my decision. If you don't like my decision, then go fuck yourself - I'm the President of the United States of America and you're not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Afghanistan Falls To Taliban Couple Hours Earlier Than Expected WWW.THEONION.COM KABUL, AFGHANISTAN—In a development that sent shock waves through the international community and negated two decades of effort by American-led coalition forces, reports... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I really don’t think he could have said anything better without absolute bullshitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Afghanistan Falls To Taliban Couple Hours Earlier Than Expected WWW.THEONION.COM KABUL, AFGHANISTAN—In a development that sent shock waves through the international community and negated two decades of effort by American-led coalition forces, reports... I completely misread that headline by reading "couple" as two people, which strangely enough was not any stranger than the actual Onion headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That speech was essentially: I made my decision. I'm sticking with my decision. If you don't like my decision, then go fuck yourself - I'm the President of the United States of America and you're not. I kinda respect this. There was some shade thrown at Obama too. "I opposed the surge in 2009 as Vice President." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I really don’t think he could have said anything better without absolute bullshitting. The speech was ENTIRELY directed at the domestic political audience, right down to what borders on "victim blaming" of the (former) Afghan government and military. But if you're someone who worked with the US forces and is currently huddled with your family in a house in Kabul hoping against hope to get out before the Taliban discovers you, that speech was absolutely NOT reassuring in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The speech was ENTIRELY directed at the domestic political audience, right down to what borders on "victim blaming" of the (former) Afghan government and military. But if you're someone who worked with the US forces and is currently huddled with your family in a house in Kabul hoping against hope to get out before the Taliban discovers you, that speech was absolutely NOT reassuring in the least. Agreed 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 This was shockingly harsh rhetoric to be levelled against people who were ostensibly our former allies and I bet that it has caused more than a few in the international community to sit up and notice. One former US diplomat on Al-Jazeera has commented it appeared from that speech that Biden seemed to have "disdain" for the Afghan people and not just the government/military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 In regard to former Afghan president Ashraf Ghani: Russia says Afghan president fled with cars and helicopter full of cash - RIA WWW.REUTERS.COM Russia's embassy in Kabul said on Monday that Afghan President Ashraf Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in, the RIA news agency reported. Quote "As for the collapse of the (outgoing) regime, it is most eloquently characterised by the way Ghani fled Afghanistan," Nikita Ishchenko, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Kabul, was quoted as saying by RIA. "Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," he was quoted as saying. Afghan Cease-Fire Deal Struck in Doha Collapsed After Ghani Fled (Bloomberg) Quote Afghan president Ashraf Ghani destroyed the opportunity for a two-week ceasefire when he fled Afghanistan, Bloomberg reports. The agreement had been brokered by government and Taliban negotiators and depended on Ghani resigning from his position and the opening of talks on a transitional government. According to the report his departure, which he said was to prevent a bloodbath, surprised his own negotiators and aides, as well as the Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vaxick Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's wonderful to see so many people aboard the plane, but my pandemic mind is fearful in regards to how many of them might lose their lives to covid after all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: we haven’t lost to Emu yet, so we’re still standing taller than the Australian military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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