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CitizenVectron Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Ouch 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Apparently Ukraine is still able to strike the column north of Kyiv. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I absolutely, unequivocally don't believe that in the least, meaning the public executions part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I absolutely, unequivocally don't believe that in the least, meaning the public executions part. I agree. I think there will be executions, but they will be secret (or "mysterious" deaths). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I don't think public executions are going to work the way they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I absolutely, unequivocally don't believe that in the least, meaning the public executions part. Looks like a good ol’ fashioned canary trap! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Chris- said: Looks like a good ol’ fashioned canary trap! I've noticed that European officials are the ones giving out the most hysterical/sensational/blood-curdling information about Russian intentions while American officials are providing far more sober, fact-based information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The REALLY hard part will be getting the Ukrainian government to define exactly what those conditions are, because they sure as hell aren't gonna be status quo ante bellum, especially if Mariupol falls and the Russians control a good chunk of the Black Sea coastline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The REALLY hard part will be getting the Ukrainian government to define exactly what those conditions are, because they sure as hell aren't gonna be status quo ante bellum, especially if Mariupol falls and the Russians control a good chunk of the Black Sea coastline. I just had a thought: at this point, it genuinely appears that the operations directed at Kyiv are almost "diversionary" compared to those in the south. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The REALLY hard part will be getting the Ukrainian government to define exactly what those conditions are, because they sure as hell aren't gonna be status quo ante bellum, especially if Mariupol falls and the Russians control a good chunk of the Black Sea coastline. Hard to have an off ramp when you don’t know what Putin wants so you can begin negotiations. I assume the west will help Ukraine come to terms in exchange for EU membership and aid. Even after the sanctions are lifted, I can’t imagine any foreign investment will come flooding back unless Putin is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Hard to have an off ramp when you don’t know what Putin wants so you can begin negotiations. I assume the west will help Ukraine come to terms in exchange for EU membership and aid. Even after the sanctions are lifted, I can’t imagine any foreign investment will come flooding back unless Putin is removed. Likely we'd promise EU membership and aid then fail to approve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Zelenskyy is looking exhausted today. He's aged 10 years in 5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Zelenskyy talking about what a President is v a Czar and what Democracy is, is something a lot of "America First" people need to hear. (Was on CNN) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I never really know what to say in these kind of threads. I don't want to seem like I'm uncaring, I just have nothing to add because I'm not a foreign policy expert. The whole thing is just awful, and I pray for peace everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Genuinely, what could they offer to Russia as an acceptable off-ramp at this point? It seems ludicrous to cede territory to Russia, here’s some land for your mishandled invasion as a treat. It feels like a no-win situation; admit defeat, retreat, and maybe we’ll let you have an economy again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, LazyPiranha said: Genuinely, what could they offer to Russia as an acceptable off-ramp at this point? It seems ludicrous to cede territory to Russia, here’s some land for your mishandled invasion as a treat. It feels like a no-win situation; admit defeat, retreat, and maybe we’ll let you have an economy again? Claim you won against the "Nazis" by letting them take that Azov nazi group out in exchange for leaving, re open parts of the economy and Ukraine gives up Crimea. But Russia will want no EU/Nato membership for Ukraine and no arms in Ukraine. They want a defenseless buffer between them and NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 How open is the Ukraine to the idea of ceding Crimea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, LazyPiranha said: How open is the Ukraine to the idea of ceding Crimea? Probably not but they basically already lost it. I don't think anyone is gonna be happy with the compromise in the end if it does get settled. The thing is even though Russia is DERP, they are DERPING their way to a win either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: How open is the Ukraine to the idea of ceding Crimea? Officially, they're not open at all. Unofficially, they know it's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Even after the sanctions are lifted, I can’t imagine any foreign investment will come flooding back unless Putin is removed. Oh I think you'd be surprised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Claim you won against the "Nazis" by letting them take that Azov nazi group out in exchange for leaving, re open parts of the economy and Ukraine gives up Crimea. But Russia will want no EU/Nato membership for Ukraine and no arms in Ukraine. They want a defenseless buffer between them and NATO. It won't be just Crimea though. The Russians are going to demand that Ukraine renounce all claims to the Donbas as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Komusha said: I'm not a … expert. That’s not stopped anyone here yet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 EDIT: Context for why they played Swan Lake: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, Komusha said: I just have nothing to add because I'm not a foreign policy expert. This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required I’ve seen the pizza takes y’all ain’t experts there either 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required I know about some other things too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required This is because the D1P Legal Team has either abandoned the profession or the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required Point taken. But for matter like these I know very, very little. I have nothing to say but "this sucks". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Genuinely, what could they offer to Russia as an acceptable off-ramp at this point? It seems ludicrous to cede territory to Russia, here’s some land for your mishandled invasion as a treat. It feels like a no-win situation; admit defeat, retreat, and maybe we’ll let you have an economy again? I understand why some are putting the onus on the West or the U.S. for providing offramps. There have been wars triggered over sides being too mushy about what their red lines are. But in this case I think it really is ok to put that burden on Putin. This war is going to go on exactly as long as he wants it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This board would only have posts about fapping and pizza if expert opinion was required Someone's feeling negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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