CayceG Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Ricofoley said: I'm not an expert in statecraft or anything, but I don't understand how you can let a PMC guy publicly fire your defense minister (if that's actually what the deal is?) and still claim that you're in charge of things. I am very bewildered at this whole thing. But also, until Shoigu/Gerasimov are announced to be out of power, I wouldn't believe in that outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote Source: the criminal case against Prigozhin will be dropped and PMC Wagner fighters will receive legal immunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Rationally this is better as I damn sure don’t want pmcs in charge of legit heavy ordinance but mother fucker the fall of Putin was actually possible for like 24 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The real upshot of all this (whatever the hell it was) is that the "Russian state" in reality doesn't actually exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: We vow overwhelming response to this act of treason and will respond accordingly. lol jk we’re good please go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Wagnerites are departing from Rostov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So it’s over because Putin made some promises?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Massdriver said: So it’s over because Putin made some promises?? That's how it appears on a surface level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I don't understand how Chef can trust this deal, it's an anvil over Putin's head that Putin can't leave in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 so does this guy get to go balls deep into ukraine now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Both Putin and Pringles are most likely contemplating how they can still come out on top on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Do we think Russia is organized enough that this was all kayfabe intentionally trying to bait Ukraine into overextending itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jason said: Do we think Russia is organized enough that this was all kayfabe intentionally trying to bait Ukraine into overextending itself? No, we absolutely do not. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, CayceG said: Prigozhin is... declaring an end to this? What a cissy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote The criminal case against Yevgeny Prigozhin for "inciting an armed uprising" will be dropped and he will "leave for Belarus," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. Wagner fighters who participated in the rebellion will not be criminally prosecuted, Peskov said on a call with reporters. The Defense Ministry will sign a contract with Wagner fighters who did not take part in the rebellion, he added. ...Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 From a post on ResetERA: Quote Today in a nutshell: Russia both failed to prevent and execute a coup simultaneously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: What a cissy bant for slur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Air_Delivery said: Today’s Headline: “Guy Pacified With Offer of Texas BBQ: He’ll Return to Flavortown” 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So like Priggy tried to scare Putin into sacking the MoD command without fully going through with it and when that didn't work decided to call it off? That's all I can take from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: That's all I can take from this. I think all that we can take from this is: Russia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 OH COME THE HELL ON Quote Personnel changes in Russia's Ministry of Defense were not discussed during negotiations with Prigozhin, Kremlin says - TASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This was all about pay. They were just playing hardball for a bigger cash out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reputator said: This was all about pay. They were just playing hardball for a bigger cash out. I don't know if you shoot down a bunch of helicopters and a plane for a slightly larger payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote One consequence of this deal: Wagner killed between 13 and 20 Russian soldiers today, according to pro-war Telegram channels. And they are going to get away with it completely scot free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, ThreePi said: I don't know if you shoot down a bunch of helicopters and a plane for a slightly larger payday. If you're American, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reputator said: If you're American, no. Don't give whatever UAE-based company that was formerly known as Blackwater/Xe any ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So is Wagner effectively disbanded now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: So is Wagner effectively disbanded now? As an operational entity in the Ukraine theater? Yeah - I'd say that it's been effectively disbanded. The contingent that's going with Priggy to Minsk will probably re-brand itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: As an operational entity in the Ukraine theater? Yeah - I'd say that it's been effectively disbanded. The contingent that's going with Priggy to Minsk will probably re-brand itself. Pringles rebranding, I’ve heard that before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I am just reallythankful for Wade being here to correct Jason’s conspiracy theories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, Reputator said: This was all about pay. They were just playing hardball for a bigger cash out. You're not too far off, but it wasn't about pay - it was about maintaining independence from the Russian MoD. By recent order of the MoD, all Wagner personnel operating in Ukraine/Russia were to sign contracts with the Russian MoD by July 1, effectively integrating them into the Russian armed forces itself. Naturally, this didn't sit well with Priggy and his inner core which are largely constituted of actually elite former Russian special forces guys, including Dmitry Utkin - this Nazi motherfucker who is the Wagner second-in-command and was the commander of this recent little road trip across southern Russia: It genuinely appears that Priggy managed to secure this deal with the Kremlin that allows him and his core group consisting of probably no more than 5,000 or so (if that many!) to abscond off to Belarus to continue on their merry PMC way while the VAST majority of Wagner personnel in Ukraine/Russia will be folded into the RuAF. In effect, Priggy "sold out" everyone who didn't participate in his version of contract negotiations with the Kremlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote 3,000 elite Chechen troops had taken up positions in Moscow to defend the Russian capital, if necessary, from the Wagner group - RIA And by "taken up positions", they mean "filming themselves in Tik Tok videos on every street corner". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I’m sure the Kremlin is happy to see all of the CIA sources in Wagner finally fuck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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