Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, stepee said: I think they would only know what one of those things is so I’m sure the answer they have is different! "Russia is the last bastion in the defense of traditional values against the liberals, athesists, homosexuals, etc." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Geolocated videos now of fighting in Rostov outskirts, as well as at least two convoys of Wagner forces in the Oblast. This is real. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I am no longer disappoint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, stepee said: I think they would only know what one of those things is so I’m sure the answer they have is different! To put it another way, right wing Americans don't know they support the exact tenets of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality. They feel an American national identity and recognize that there is a similar Russian national identity. They have specific conservative beliefs ordained and commanded by God and represented by their forefathers. Their holy books are the Bible and the Constitution. They share the end goal with how Russians see their end goal, even though the Constitutions, Churches, and Forefathers are different. They work for the same thing, ultimately. And Autocracy is held by the good, upstanding people that seek to fight for these values. In the US it's business owners and politicians and media figures who espouse the same ideology. Our American oligarchs. The American right wing may explain things differently than your typical Kremlin lackey. But when you strip away the details and the national color of each explanation, you get the same mindset and the same goals. A conservative nation run for and by the people who view themselves as exemplifying the National Identity. And anyone working against that is an enemy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 a spicy development I did not see coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, CayceG said: To put it another way, right wing Americans don't know they support the exact tenets of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality. They feel an American national identity and recognize that there is a similar Russian national identity. They have specific conservative beliefs ordained and commanded by God and represented by their forefathers. Their holy books are the Bible and the Constitution. They share the end goal with how Russians see their end goal, even though the Constitutions, Churches, and Forefathers are different. They work for the same thing, ultimately. And Autocracy is held by the good, upstanding people that seek to fight for these values. In the US it's business owners and politicians and media figures who espouse the same ideology. Our American oligarchs. The American right wing may explain things differently than your typical Kremlin lackey. But when you strip away the details and the national color of each explanation, you get the same mindset and the same goals. A conservative nation run for and by the people who view themselves as exemplifying the National Identity. And anyone working against that is an enemy. Your typical Y'all Qaeda chud would be all in on Saudi Arabia if you kept it exactly as it is except for changing it to white and Christian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wagner inside Rostov. Other videos of them just driving around the Rosgvardiya checkpoints. Rosgvardiya is clearly not willing to fight against actual armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Also Voronezh oblast. If Wagner can somehow hold out for a week or two by somehow holding sympathy with Russian MoD regulars in these southern oblasts, then Russian-occupied Ukraine (orange) is effectively cut off from Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote VChk-OGPU reports the the PMC Wagner captured the headquarters of the Southern Military District, the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Rostov, FSB and the administration of Rostov. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 OLOLOLOLOLOLO A Russian speaker on ResetERA just posted that in one of the videos, an OMON guard watching the Wagner forces just drive by said to his buddy "told ya they were just gonna drive around" the buses that were parked across the highway to stop them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Armed fighters in the centre of Rostov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 2021: 2nd best army in world 2022: 2nd best army in Ukraine 2023: 2nd best army in Russia 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Area seemingly under the control of Wagner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The significance of Rostov: Quote Rostov houses the command of the Southern Military District and the Operational Headquarters for the war in Ukraine. It’s also one of Russia most important logistical hubs for the war. Wagner could get it hands on enormous stockpiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Russian helicopter downed outside of Rostov. Another outside of Voronezh. Traffic jam of people trying to flee Voronezh as Wagner apparently moves on that city. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CayceG Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Area seemingly under the control of Wagner. This is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 What is the closest analogy we can get to? Blackwater returning to America in 2006 and taking the city of Atlanta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, CayceG said: This is nonsense. Well, it's the distance they travelled uncontested, at least. And they have taken the centre of the city of Rostov-on-Don: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: What is the closest analogy we can get to? Blackwater returning to America in 2006 and taking the city of Atlanta? I mean this definitely doesn’t bode well for the future but I’m enjoying this right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 How this is important for Ukraine is that Rostov is the major logistics hub for Russian forces in southern Ukraine (down to Crimea, and west to Donetsk/Luhansk). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: What is the closest analogy we can get to? Blackwater returning to America in 2006 and taking the city of Atlanta? Tywin Lannister turning on the Mad King and sacking Kings Landing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Theoretically, Wagner just scored themselves new gear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Does anyone think its possible for Putin to use nukes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I'm amused by the pictures of Wagner troops prone on the ground in 360 security as local residents in shorts, t-shirts, and flip-flops casually stroll by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: What is the closest analogy we can get to? Blackwater returning to America in 2006 and taking the city of Atlanta? Here's your analogy: Quote Hard to understate how insane this is. Rostov has over a million people, Russia's 11th most populated city and a military hub. It's like disgruntled Blackwater vets seizing San Diego against little to no resistance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The White House should prank call the Kremlin just to see who picks up the phone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Here's your analogy: Or like “Tywin Lannister turning on the Mad King and sacking Kings Landing???” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, outsida said: Or like “ Tywin Lannister turning on the Mad King and sacking Kings Landing???” I have no goddamned idea what any of those words even mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I have no goddamned idea what any of those words even mean. Never watched GoT I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, outsida said: Never watched GoT I see. I read the first book and I hated it so very much that I threw it into a fireplace. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Here's your analogy: Yeah, taking San Diego is a good analogy. It's home to the US Navy Third Fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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