b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Slavic bojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I've always felt that the LNR is the 'little brother' to the DNR. That they stuffed that dude in a flak jacket and put him in front of the camera confirms that they are really the runt of the litter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So if this doesn't kick off tomorrow or Thursday safe to assume he's taken the off ramp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: That dude looks like he belongs on the Addams family. Looks like they shaved the big muppet from Labyrinth and put it in fatigues and a helmut. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: He definitely doesn't look...uhhhhh...natural. The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would deem unnatural. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: So if this doesn't kick off tomorrow or Thursday safe to assume he's taken the off ramp? I think this can drag on a few more days. Off ramp would mean we'd see units pulling back and relocating to their bases inside Russia. They're all still there at/near the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, CayceG said: I think this can drag on a few more days. Off ramp would mean we'd see units pulling back and relocating to their bases inside Russia. They're all still there at/near the border. Yeah, I'd agree. Obviously there is a point where Putin can't maintain 190,000+ troops sitting out in fields, for multiple reasons (morale, money, etc), but I think he probably can get away with a few weeks. While I still think a major offensive is likely, there have been some good analyses around how Putin hasn't gotten the reaction he wanted (a more fractured West), and a full invasion might not be maintainable for Russia. The days of Russia/USSR being able to effectively invade and occupy even all of eastern Europe are long gone, I think. Even maintaining control over all of Ukraine would strain Russia, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Right. And that's why I think he might bank on NATO not coming to the defense of Ukraine in an actual invasion scenario. While larger in scale, I think this winds up being a "Georgia Plus" situation. By that I mean an assault to degrade Ukraine's military capabilities through strategic strikes and assaults, an armored push to drive the Ukrainian military out of the Donbas, and the Plus part being an airborne operation backed by another armored push into Kyiv in order to secure regime change and oust Zelensky. All of that sounds like a nightmare for the Russians. May the ghost of Nestor Makhno guide the Ukrainians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Having just learned about Nestor Makhno from Revolutions I gotta say I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Having just learned about Nestor Makhno from Revolutions I gotta say I like him. Damn: Quote Makhno and the movement's leadership were anarcho-communists and attempted to guide the movement along these ideological lines. Makhno was aggressively opposed to all factions that sought to impose their authority over southern Ukraine, battling in succession the forces of the Ukrainian National Republic, the Central Powers of Germany and Austro-Hungary, the Hetmanate state, the White Army, the Bolshevik Red Army, and other smaller forces led by various Ukrainian atamans. He is also credited as the inventor of the tachanka—a horse-drawn carriage with a mounted heavy machine gun. Nestor Makhno - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 I expect everyone to be blaring Ukraine's awesome national anthem from their windows tonight: It's unfortunate that the two nations with the greatest anthems are going to war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 For more Nestor Makhno info, check out the 2-part Christmas episode on him that Behind the Bastards did. (Christmas is when they do a non-bastard for a change). Part One: Nestor Makhno: Anarchist Warlord and Book Club Aficionado - Behind the Bastards | iHeart WWW.IHEART.COM <p>Robert is joined by Jamie Loftus to discuss Nestor Makhno, our 2020 holiday non-bastard episode</p><p>FOOTNOTES:</p><p>1. <a href='https://www.theyliewedie.org/ressources/biblio/en/Collective_-_The_Personal_Side_of_Nestor_Makhno.html'>https://www.theyliewedie.org/ressources/biblio/en/Collective_-_The_Personal_Side_of_Nestor_Makhno.html</a></p><p>2.<a... Part Two: Nestor Makhno: Anarchist Warlord and Book Club Aficionado - Behind the Bastards | iHeart WWW.IHEART.COM <p>Robert is joined again by Jamie Loftus to continue to discuss Nestor Makhno. Happy Holidays!</p><p> </p> Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href='https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com'>https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 What's the weather situation in Ukraine currently? If the ground isn't frozen, that's gonna make Russian armored operations a lot more challening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: What's the weather situation in Ukraine currently? If the ground isn't frozen, that's gonna make Russian armored operations a lot more challening. Looks like about 40 every day with lows just under freezing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 It might almost be go-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: What's the weather situation in Ukraine currently? If the ground isn't frozen, that's gonna make Russian armored operations a lot more challening. It's mud season: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 Eastern Europe has such an...ominous colour palette compared to North America. You can't really understand unless you've been there. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) is just slightly different. Oh, you think the trees will be green? NO, they are NEAR-green. You think concrete will be grey? NO, it's somehow a little bit off, too. Maybe @CayceG can comment more, but it's like entering an alternate universe where everything is just slightly more drab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 Russia is using botnets to get pro-Ukrainian people banned from twitter and other social media platforms, just FYI: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 If Russia pushes straight for Kyiv, they will likely push troops and armour through the Chernobyl Radiation Zone. Just crazy to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 On the one hand, Russia is obviously a very hardened country able to pull off horrible things relative to their economy and population. On the other hand...they also apparently just didn't think Ukraine and the west would be so prepared/united? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Eastern Ukraine has such an...ominous colour palette compared to North America. You can't really understand unless you've been there. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) is just slightly different. Oh, you think the trees will be green? NO, they are NEAR-green. You think concrete will be grey? NO, it's somehow a little bit off, too. Maybe @CayceG can comment more, but it's like entering an alternate universe where everything is just slightly more drab. Kinda. Part of it is that everything is sort of gray because it's winter. Part of it's the pollution in the east. I always to go Ukraine in late summer and everything is relatively vibrant. And it's in the west, so there's less industrial haze. But this photo from my friend from last year really shows the beauty of some areas. This is at a monastery in Svyatogorsk in the Donetsk Oblast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 Oh it's a beautiful country. And sorry, I meant to say eastern Europe, not Ukraine. It's mostly that the vegetation there is a slightly different hue of green than North America (a few percentage points towards blue and grey). I've only visited the areas in this rough triangle in the western half of the country. I think my favourite places were near Chernivtsi and Lviv (I loved Lviv). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CayceG Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Oh it's a beautiful country. And sorry, I meant to say eastern Europe, not Ukraine. It's mostly that the vegetation there is a slightly different hue of green than North America (a few percentage points towards blue and grey). I've only visited the areas in this rough triangle in the western half of the country. I think my favourite places were near Chernivtsi and Lviv (I loved Lviv). I've generally been even farther west. L'viv, Lutsk, Rivne, Ternopil mainly. Rivne has a zoo that's pretty funny. They have this one exhibit with a fucking North American raccoon in it. Like, dude, that thing lives under my shed. It is not special enough to be in a zoo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: This is like the eight tweet like this in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 Some thought initially these ships could mean a landing in Odessa, but I think Mariupol is the most likely target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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