Uaarkson Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 hours ago, Xbob42 said: I imagine a second incursion also complicates defense for the Russians quite significantly. I guess in my head I had assumed the Russians would like... have maybe fortified their border cities with Ukraine to prevent exactly something like this from happening? It seems almost cartoonish how far and how fast the Ukrainians are moving into Russia. Getting completely embarrassed by a much smaller military has been par for the course for Russia since this war began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: Getting completely embarrassed by a much smaller military has been par for the course for Russia since this war began. We share so much in common with Russia! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link200 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, Xbob42 said: We share so much in common with Russia! Clearly there are diminishing returns with large modern militaries while on the offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Just now, Link200 said: Clearly there are diminishing returns with large modern militaries while on the offensive. Vietnam and Afghanistan support this theory as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 6 minutes ago, Link200 said: Clearly there are diminishing returns with large modern militaries while on the offensive. I don't even think it's that, I think it's more that an "offensive" with no real structured goal is doomed to fail, and invasions as a concept dramatically, drastically underestimate things like "how big a country is." Again, no war guy, but I imagine things are much different in so many ways than they were even in WW2, people aren't just gonna sit in one spot waiting to be overwhelmed, and we have ways to rapidly mobilize and move, split up, regroup, etc. It seems much harder than the old style of just going from village to village and town to town and razing it, and you do that long enough and can not succumb to attrition and you win. Hell, even in WW2 it seemed much more complex than that. And Russia's a lot more openly brutal and barbaric about their attacks. Say what you will about American friendly fire and collateral damage, but at the very least it's not a popular move here to bombard city centers full of 99% civilians. But even with this level of open brutality, it's not enough. I'd find it more fascinating if it wasn't so sickening and a huge, pointless waste of life for someone's little dick ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 20 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'm utterly flabbergasted to explain exactly what the hell is going on in Kursk Oblast at this point, both what Kyiv's objectives are with this operation and Moscow's apparent lack of urgency about it. Analysis from Tom Cooper: Ukraine War, 10 August 2024 XXTOMCOOPERXX.SUBSTACK.COM Hello everybody! I am not even an amateur war-gamer, but what I’m imagining is the Ukrainian command sitting there, looking at intelligence that showed this stretch to be nearly deserted, and going, “What if we just…went for it?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 If anything it will draw troops away from other areas where the Ukrainians might be feeling the burn, and if Tom is right then it will take the Russian command a lot of time and effort to coordinate moving them back to where they’re needed to gain territory. This also shows the Russians (and the world) that Ukraine is not feeble. They are just as brave as ever, and willing to commit to what might at first seem like a foolhardy run to interrupt Russia’s complacency across the front line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 minutes ago, S3xB0t said: If anything it will draw troops away from other areas where the Ukrainians might be feeling the burn, and if Tom is right then it will take the Russian command a lot of time and effort to coordinate moving them back to where they’re needed to gain territory. This also shows the Russians (and the world) that Ukraine is not feeble. They are just as brave as ever, and willing to commit to what might at first seem like a foolhardy run to interrupt Russia’s complacency across the front line. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that complacency'll fuck ya up every time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Sorry, I’m having more thoughts now. If Russia is leaving stretches of its fortifications nearly undefended then what does that say about the state of their armed forces? Tom spent some time going over this in his post. The Russian war machine is gigantic, but it’s baring its rusted-out frame with shit like this going down. Putin is evil, but he is not dumb. I cannot imagine his commanders are either, although with the number of replacements and the state of the Russian populace as one of general dumbfuckery we can’t be sure. Do they know nothing of history? The Northern European Plain is not a place to be conquered quickly, or held with any degree of certainty. At this point in the war the effort seems all risk and little reward. Even if a truce was drawn today Russia is left with nothing but the husks of once-thriving cities. They’ll turn into the same ghettos that most Russian cities are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 12 minutes ago, S3xB0t said: but he is not dumb I think like many “once smart” people, he has surrounded himself with yes-men and sycophants (because… he kills anyone who questions him ) that lower his abilities and enable poor decision making. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 minute ago, Spork3245 said: I think like many “once smart” people, he has surrounded himself with yes-men and sycophants (because… he kills anyone who questions him ) that lower his abilities and enable poor decision making. Yeah, I feel like anyone can turn into a dipshit if no one ever challenges a single thought they have. Echo chambers are destructive in many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Just now, Xbob42 said: Yeah, I feel like anyone can turn into a dipshit if no one ever challenges a single thought they have. Echo chambers are destructive in many ways. Elon Musk is a perfect example, IMO. He was never a real-life Tony Stark or whatever his fans used to think, but he wasn’t this fucking idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Today's analysis from Tom Cooper: Ukraine War, 11 August 2024 XXTOMCOOPERXX.SUBSTACK.COM Hello everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 A VSRF officer has identified who is clearly behind the current situation: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 37 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: A VSRF officer has identified who is clearly behind the current situation: To be fair, the British do know how to invade a country. They used to be really good at it! But now they’ve been reduced to letting other countries do it for them and watching, like the tea sucking cucks they truly are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 Air defense is currently active at Chkalovsky Airbase...which is in Moscow. A number of special mission aircraft are housed there. Ukrainian drones currently attacking. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Never thought we'd see another large battle at Kursk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 The acting governor of Kursk told Putin that Ukraine has captured 28 settlements in the oblast and 121,000 residents have fled (>10% of the oblast's total population). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Putin's remarks concerning the Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region: Quote "The operations of the Russian armed forces, volunteers and veterans have not diminished, on the contrary, they have increased significantly—by a factor of one and a half. The leadership of the Kiev regime is not only perpetrating crimes against the Russian people; they have, in fact, embarked on the path of total extermination of the Ukrainian people themselves, whom they seemingly no longer regard as their own. The Ukrainian armed forces are suffering significant losses, particularly among their most combat capable units, which are now being redeployed to our border." Source: Sputnik I'm probably reading too much into it, but I feel as if Putin is straight up saying he will genocide Ukrainians until there are none left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I feel like he's been saying awful shit like that for a while now, but I don't have any concrete examples off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Ukraine's offensive is already far more successful than I thought it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 12 Author Share Posted August 12 Sounds like expected 180,000 displaced Russian refugees. Hard to hide that kind of movement from the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: Ukraine's offensive is already far more successful than I thought it would be. On the surface, it does appear to have met its objectives...whatever the hell they are because I simply can't conceive of what they could be. At some point in the immediate future, those UAF units operating in Kursk Oblast are going to need to be resupplied or rotated. both of which will be very precarious operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: On the surface, it does appear to have met its objectives...whatever the hell they are because I simply can't conceive of what they could be. At some point in the immediate future, those UAF units operating in Kursk Oblast are going to need to be resupplied or rotated. both of which will be very precarious operations. How long is the average rotation? Isn't it 2-3 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 12 Author Share Posted August 12 Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief informs Zelenskyy about offensive in Kursk Oblast: 1,000 square kilometres under Ukraine’s control WWW.PRAVDA.COM.UA Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine, has held a meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, in which he was informed about the offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Russia’s Kursk Oblast. Ukraine claims to control about 1,000 square kilometers of Kursk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link200 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 At this point if you are a Russian in one of the captured settlements I would be worried about getting "rescued." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Chris- said: How long is the average rotation? Isn't it 2-3 weeks? I honestly have no idea - I'd imagine that it's highly unit/situationally dependent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 If this Ukrainian invasion force brought with them Soviet arms, it would potentially make resupply easier because they'd be able to just utilize the ammunition captured from the Russian forces that have been captured or retreated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just now, mclumber1 said: If this Ukrainian invasion force brought with them Soviet arms, it would potentially make resupply easier because they'd be able to just utilize the ammunition captured from the Russian forces that have been captured or retreated. I remember hearing something ages ago about never using enemy weapons or ammo due to booby traps and shit. Though I guess it would depend on the circumstances. That said, the Russians were booby trapping all kinds of shit at the start of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: I remember hearing something ages ago about never using enemy weapons or ammo due to booby traps and shit. Though I guess it would depend on the circumstances. That said, the Russians were booby trapping all kinds of shit at the start of the war. That's true. But considering how much of a surprise this petite invasion was, I find it doubtful that these Russian conscripts or the junior officers who were in charge of them had the wherewithal to booby trap their crates of ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 Something pointed out online is that Ukrainian special forces are almost certainly taking this opportunity to smuggle equipment and explosives across the border, to get deeper into Russia on civilian vehicles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Currently reading Serhii Plokhy’s most recent book and thinking I should keep up with this thread more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 On 8/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Spork3245 said: I think like many “once smart” people, he has surrounded himself with yes-men and sycophants (because… he kills anyone who questions him ) that lower his abilities and enable poor decision making. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 News outlets were leaked insider material from the Trump campaign. They chose not to print it APNEWS.COM Three news outlets were recently leaked confidential material from inside the Trump campaign, but have chosen not to reveal any of the details about what they received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: News outlets were leaked insider material from the Trump campaign. They chose not to print it APNEWS.COM Three news outlets were recently leaked confidential material from inside the Trump campaign, but have chosen not to reveal any of the details about what they received. Notice how these news outlets have never ever previously expressed any sort of regret about how they handled things in 2016 until these Trump documents showed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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