Uaarkson Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Ukraine’s rapid advance is due to the momentum of their massive steel balls. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 Ukraine appears to be using low-flying helicopters as part of this offensive, both for attacks as well as transporting troops and evacuating wounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 3 minutes ago, Chris- said: I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? I can't imagine Ukraine is THAT valuable to Russia. Like valuable enough to lose ALL OF RUSSIA? This war right now is about Putin's ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 28 minutes ago, Chris- said: I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? I would think that if Russia used a tactical nuke against Ukraine, NATO would would actually enter the war against Russia. China and india and the rest of brics would probably revoke their tepid support of Russia as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 36 minutes ago, Chris- said: I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? This would require a pretty massive force entering Russia that they'd have no hope of stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 41 minutes ago, Chris- said: I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? I'd be highly surprised if the total strength of this UAF incursion exceeds more than 2,000 personnel which makes it little more than a beefed-up reconnaissance-in-force. It's nowhere near the level the tactical nuke threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 2 hours ago, Chris- said: I'm rarely a doomer but at a certain point doesn't this advance run the risk of seeing a tactical nuke enter the fold? So you're worried Russia is going to use a tactical nuke on their own soil? They HAVE done stupid shit in the past, but this seems too dumb even for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Just now, CayceG said: So you're worried Russia is going to use a tactical nuke on their own soil? They HAVE done stupid shit in the past, but this seems too dumb even for them. They would given a big enough invasion, but as other have said this isn't remotely big enough to trigger that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 From the Ukraine Battle Map account: Quote Kursk Battle Map (August 8 - 18:00) Ukraine has liberated 27 settlements in the Kursk Region of Russia and expanded their gains to +430 sq kilometers Some forces are reported to be around 25km to 30km inside Russia. Ukraine is using the lack of defense and geography to advance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 The Battle of Kursk 2024 MICKRYAN.SUBSTACK.COM A quick assessment of what we know about the surprise Ukrainian assault into Russia, and what might be Ukraine’s strategic and operational objectives. Quote In a 1973 lecture, Sir Michael Howard described the impact of surprise, and the necessity of military institutions to prepare their people to absorb, and adapt around, surprises on the battlefield and beyond. He described how “this is an aspect of military science which needs to be studied above all others in the Armed Forces: the capacity to adapt oneself to the utterly unpredictable, the entirely unknown.” Sir Lawrence Freedman, has written that, “a surprise attack, conceived with cunning, prepared with duplicity and executed with ruthlessness, provides international history with its most melodramatic moments.” Surprise is an important continuity in human competition and warfare. The desire to surprise an adversary is central to the Eastern and Western traditions of war. The aim is to shock an adversary and overwhelm them when they are their weakest or when they least expect it. That shock, and the break down in enemy cohesion and ability to effectively respond, can then be used to seize large amounts of ground and destroy significant enemy formations. It appears that yet again, in the past few days, the Ukrainians have surprised Russia, and observers in the west, with their latest operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 Saw a quote online from a Ukrainian commentator. Can be summed up as "Amazing what can be accomplished when you don't tell your plans to the Americans ahead of time." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, CayceG said: So you're worried Russia is going to use a tactical nuke on their own soil? They HAVE done stupid shit in the past, but this seems too dumb even for them. Nah - moreso that they'd drop one somewhere uninhabited in Ukraine to up the saber rattling and (theoretically) deter AFU from further advancement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBladeRoden Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 "Do something unexpected." -Sun Tzu, or maybe the Ferengi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/08/ukraine-kursk-russia-occupied-war/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/08/ukraine-kursk-russia-occupied-war/ Hmm. Could this endeavor be possibly…based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 They should just Sherman the entire oblast lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Mines everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 From the War Mapper account: Quote Kursk offensive update: Ukraine is now confirmed to control at least 155 km² of Kursk Oblast. For reference, Russia controls ~150 km² north of Kharkiv. Advances are reported to be more extensive than shown, however, OPSEC is tight and this is all that has been verified so far. Quote A wider view for comparison of Ukraine's control of Kursk and Russia's Kharkiv incursion. With all due respect, the word "control" is doing a bit of "heavy lifting" in regards to the area of Kursk Oblast in which Ukrainian forces are present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 What are the chances Ukraine does a Moscow thunder run ala Pringles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, Air_Delivery said: What are the chances Ukraine does a Moscow thunder run ala Pringles? Slim-to-none, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I'm fully convinced that Ukraine intends to capture as much Russian territory as possible and (if they can hold it) use it as a bargaining chip to return (some) Ukrainian territory as part of a peace deal. Putin would be dumb to use a tactical nuke in retaliation for this incursion, whether that nuke was used within Russia on these Ukrainian occupiers, or within Ukraine proper, as it would almost guarantee that the entire world sans North Korea and maybe Iran would be against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I'm edging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Just now, Jwheel86 said: I'm edging Not to add fuel to an unlikely fire, but Russian chatter is very worried about a similar incursion into the Belgorod region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 3 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: I'm edging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 The Russians appear to be finally taking this incursion seriously and have begun the deployment of reinforcements and initiated the counterattack: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 reuters.com WWW.REUTERS.COM Mexico could do the funniest thing here… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, Comet said: reuters.com WWW.REUTERS.COM Mexico could do the funniest thing here… Mexico isn't on any doomsday 0 to midnight target, why would they put themselves on that map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 No major news on this yet, but it appears Ukraine is performing (at some scale) a second incursion, this one into the Belgorod region of Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 Also, in the Kursk region Ukraine must have moved up some air defense units, as they have been confirmed to have shot down 3 x Russian attack helicopters, and it sounds like an SU-34 today. Two of the helicopters were taken out by FPV drones that rammed into them, and a third was taken out by a MANPAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 I'm utterly flabbergasted to explain exactly what the hell is going on in Kursk Oblast at this point, both what Kyiv's objectives are with this operation and Moscow's apparent lack of urgency about it. Analysis from Tom Cooper: Ukraine War, 10 August 2024 XXTOMCOOPERXX.SUBSTACK.COM Hello everybody! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 I mean its basic warfare stuff, hit your enemy where he isn't, Russia has apparently over-committed its forces in Ukraine and can't effectively counter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: I mean its basic warfare stuff, hit your enemy where he isn't, Russia has apparently over-committed its forces in Ukraine and can't effectively counter. I imagine a second incursion also complicates defense for the Russians quite significantly. I guess in my head I had assumed the Russians would like... have maybe fortified their border cities with Ukraine to prevent exactly something like this from happening? It seems almost cartoonish how far and how fast the Ukrainians are moving into Russia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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