Best Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Again, it just has to do with rules changes. Zone defense was illegal during most of the time jordan was playing, so players had to play a lot more iso/on-ball play. They also didn't call technicals or flagrants as much. So in a way, defense was more physical, but tactically it was nowhere near what it is today. Iso plays are mostly gone, making any play on offense requires tons of off-ball movement and feints, it's tactically on a completely different level. There are a lot more moving parts. Jordan played a lot of 1-on-1 with other players standing around, which is why he didn't win until Jackson had them start the triangle, incorporating more off-ball movement. The triangle is outdated as fuck now, except when (guess who) LeBron and Pat Riley ran a version of it in Miami. And that was almost a decade ago. You're really impressing me your knowledge of the NBA. Fantastic post and I agree with everything you said. Minus Reddick averaging 40 a game in the 80's. I understand your point, though. 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: I do love how so many of the pro basketball “era” discussions essentially start in the mid - late 80’s since that’s what most of the people talking hoops today, myself included, remember. Wilt, Russell, Kareem are just chilling over here as if the GOAT discussion is somehow a 2 way contest between Jordan and LeBron. Good point. I'd put Wilt in my top 5. I've seen tons of footage from his HS, college, and NBA career and he would absolutely dominate even in today's game. He was an INCREDIBLE athlete for his size. Kareem is in my top 10 and his sky hook is still the greatest shot in NBA history. As for Russell, he was an excellent rebounder and defender and kept even Wilt in check. I'm not sure how he would fair in today's game, though. He paved the way for big men and is a legend for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, best3444 said: You're really impressing me your knowledge of the NBA. Fantastic post and I agree with everything you said. Minus Reddick averaging 40 a game in the 80's. I understand your point, though. Just watch those videos of JR Smith playing in China, it's not too far fetched to say Reddick would be doing the same thing to '80s American players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Nothing will ever beat the Heat/Knicks grudge matches of the 1990s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Again, it just has to do with rules changes. Zone defense was illegal during most of the time jordan was playing, so players had to play a lot more iso/on-ball play. They also didn't call technicals or flagrants as much. So in a way, defense was more physical, but tactically it was nowhere near what it is today. Iso plays are mostly gone, making any play on offense requires tons of off-ball movement and feints, it's tactically on a completely different level. There are a lot more moving parts. Jordan played a lot of 1-on-1 with other players standing around, which is why he didn't win until Jackson had them start the triangle, incorporating more off-ball movement. The triangle is outdated as fuck now, except when (guess who) LeBron and Pat Riley ran a version of it in Miami. And that was almost a decade ago. I stand by what I said that if you put JJ reddick in a time machine to the 80's he'd score 40 a game. Not because he's better than Larry Bird, but he knows the importance of feints and off ball movement better than anyone else did at the time. That's how he made his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nothing will ever beat the Heat/Knicks grudge matches of the 1990s. Did you mean the Pacers/Knicks grudge matches? I still remember that game when Reggie Miller scored 8 straight points with like 5 seconds left and beat the Knicks. The NY press CRUCIFIED Spike Lee because they said he egged Miller on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARZ Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Did you mean the Pacers/Knicks grudge matches? I still remember that game when Reggie Miller scored 8 straight points with like 5 seconds left and beat the Knicks. The NY press CRUCIFIED Spike Lee because they said he egged Miller on I swear that dude was a Ferengi! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: Did you mean the Pacers/Knicks grudge matches? I still remember that game when Reggie Miller scored 8 straight points with like 5 seconds left and beat the Knicks. The NY press CRUCIFIED Spike Lee because they said he egged Miller on Oh no - I definitely meant the Heat and the Knicks! Heat–Knicks rivalry - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 The Knicks had rivalries with everyone. That's what happens when you have Charles Oakley, Latrell Sprewell, John Starks, and Larry Johnson on your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Oh no - I definitely meant the Heat and the Knicks! Heat–Knicks rivalry - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Yeah the Pacers rivalry was before that... much more classic rivalry to me than the heat one. I used to always root AGAINST the Knicks because everyone in the area was a Knick's fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nothing will ever beat the Heat/Knicks grudge matches of the 1990s. What about the Bulls and Pistons grudge matches in the late 80s/early 90s? That shit was down right dirrty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I do love how so many of the pro basketball “era” discussions essentially start in the mid - late 80’s since that’s what most of the people talking hoops today, myself included, remember. Wilt, Russell, Kareem are just chilling over here as if the GOAT discussion is somehow a 2 way contest between Jordan and LeBron. Because it is a two way discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, best3444 said: What about the Bulls and Pistons grudge matches in the late 80s/early 90s? That shit was down right dirrty. They had Pippen shitting in his pants... The Pistons were basically a Hockey team that could play basketball Those dudes were BRUTES and they had a very deep bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: They had Pippen shitting in his pants... The Pistons were basically a Hockey team that could play basketball Those dudes were BRUTES and they had a very deep bench. I literally laughed out loud about your pippen comment. He was such a pussy in that time period. He definitely got tougher mentally and physically after the piston days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Mercury33 said: Because it is a two way discussion. lolno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I know nothing of basketball. What happened to the discussion of Space Jam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Brick said: I know nothing of basketball. What happened to the discussion of Space Jam? Someone brought up the J word and I don't mean "Jam" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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69los Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 At 1:56 of the trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I wonder if kids today even know who these looney tunes characters are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: I’ve never done drugs. Is this what drugs are like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I’ve never done drugs. Is this what drugs are like? Not the good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: I’ve never done drugs. Is this what drugs are like? . . . . maybe a little. Won’t lie that a good weed strain could make this movie amazing for some people with the colours alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: This has trainwreck written all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I could feel the very essence of my being slowly being drained into the ether with each passing second of that trailer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I could feel the very essence of my being slowly being drained into the ether with each passing second of that trailer. No, no, no, you meant to say that you feel absolutely compelled to buy Nike shoes, Coca-Cola products, and Beats by Dre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I think this looks exactly as good as the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 A bunch of old men yelling at clouds over something not intended for them at all. If The original space jam came out when I was in my mid-thirties I’d probably hate it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: A bunch of old men yelling at clouds over something not intended for them at all. If The original space jam came out when I was in my mid-thirties I’d probably hate it too. Excuse me. I'm a straight white American man, age 18-35, with disposable income. I'm pretty sure all media is supposed to be aimed at me and only me and I take any suggestion otherwise to be an attack on me personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: A bunch of old men yelling at clouds over something not intended for them at all. If The original space jam came out when I was in my mid-thirties I’d probably hate it too. Found the cuck, fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 All that matters is that this thing will make a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ort Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 11:57 AM, ort said: I wonder if kids today even know who these looney tunes characters are. So I asked my kids... my 11 year old knew Bugs Bunny by name, but none of the others... my 8 year old had no idea who any of them were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 My kids are very familiar with classic Looney Tunes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 hours ago, LazyPiranha said: A bunch of old men yelling at clouds over something not intended for them at all. If The original space jam came out when I was in my mid-thirties I’d probably hate it too. It is pretty easy to tell what is garbage and what is quality even if it isn't for you. This is easy to spot for what it is. There is much love on this board for a variety of entertainment that is directed at children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 11 hours ago, LazyPiranha said: A bunch of old men yelling at clouds over something not intended for them at all. If The original space jam came out when I was in my mid-thirties I’d probably hate it too. Eh, a movie can’t hide behind the “but it’s for children!” defense while also featuring appearances of characters from Barry Lyndon, A Clockwork Orange, and The Devil. You gotta pick one. Also, the Looney Tunes aren’t solely for kids - their humor is universal. If anything I appreciate the old shorts more as an adult. Unfortunately this doesn’t even look like it’s made by people who understand what made the Tunes work so well in the first place, which is pretty much how the first Space Jam was too tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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