RedSoxFan9 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I really regret canceling my wapo subscription Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nublood Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I really regret canceling my wapo subscription "He's a stupid 19 year old who doesn't understand ramifications" LOL. That pretty much sums up all of ANTIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, nublood said: "He's a stupid 19 year old who doesn't understand ramifications" LOL. That pretty much sums up all of ANTIFA. I can't tell if this is a serious post, like are you really attempting to deflect from a neo nazi calling for ethnic cleansing by bringing up antifa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, nublood said: "He's a stupid 19 year old who doesn't understand ramifications" LOL. That pretty much sums up all of ANTIFA. very smart post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 17 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: very smart post It's ok, NuBlood's stupid and doesn't understand the ramifications of what he's saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 20 hours ago, nublood said: "He's a stupid 19 year old who doesn't understand ramifications" LOL. That pretty much sums up all of ANTIFA. 20 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: I can't tell if this is a serious post, like are you really attempting to deflect from a neo nazi calling for ethnic cleansing by bringing up antifa? I'm curious as well. Why not just say, "Neo-Nazi sucks," and take the easy and correct stance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, SaysWho? said: I'm curious as well. Why not just say, "Neo-Nazi sucks," and take the easy and correct stance? Civility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'm curious as well. Why not just say, "Neo-Nazi sucks," and take the easy and correct stance? Why not take the correct stance that both groups suck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: Why not take the correct stance that both groups suck? Because starting it that way gives an impression of equivilency. Shoplifters and murderers both suck, but if you want to say something meaningful about both groups, using the same description side by side is rather self defeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Because starting it that way gives an impression of equivilency. Shoplifters and murderers both suck, but if you want to say something meaningful about both groups, using the same description side by side is rather self defeating. And saying it that way sounds like you support far left extremists, that start riots. Moderate lefts keep acting like antifa isn't all that bad for this exact reason. They ignore the wrong they do, either from ignorance, or to willingly down play the group, for the sole fact that they politically side closer with them. Both of these groups suck. Both of them need to go. Just cause you think antifa is a little better than neo-nazis doesn't change things. This kind of clashing is the streets is what started a lot of countries involvement in WW2. Nothing good comes from this. Donald Trump doesn't get removed cause you set a bunch of cars on fire and attack some rednecks with bike locks. That doesn't hurt Trump. He doesn't give a fuck what happens to those people. He doesn't give a fuck that you hate other civilians. That doesn't change the fact that he's in office. You can hate neo-nazis without backing antifa. Oh, and just because people seem have forgotten, black bloc isn't on your side either. None of these groups care about you. None of these groups are on your side. They are all equally extremists who want their extremists views to be law. Don't supply Osama with weapons just cause you don't like Russians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: You can hate neo-nazis without backing antifa. Oh, and just because people seem have forgotten, black bloc isn't on your side either. Those poor windows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Those poor windows Cool gimme your address then. Lemme smash yours up since it's NBD. This is the shit I'm talking about. You down play. A group riots in the street cause Obama was elected again, but it's okay cause they aren't neo-nazis. Why is it so hard for people to say both sides suck? Why do they feel the need to defend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: Why is it so hard for people to say both sides suck? Did you just zone out during the 2016 election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: This kind of clashing is the streets is what started a lot of countries involvement in WW2. [Citation needed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Jason said: Did you just zone out during the 2016 election? Nah, I seemed to be the only one here who was fucking awake. Since everyone else was too busy checked jerking each other to see that Donald Trump had a real shot of winning. Remember an those times I got called an idiot for saying he has a real chance? Yeah, such an idiot I was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: Cool gimme your address then. Lemme smash yours up since it's NBD. This is the shit I'm talking about. You down play. A group riots in the street cause Obama was elected again, but it's okay cause they aren't neo-nazis. Why is it so hard for people to say both sides suck? Why do they feel the need to defend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 This is dumb, antifa is just the anarchists with a goal, lol. No one is saying they're awesome or even supporting them, just that Neo fucking Nazis who want to pursue ethnic cleansing are far far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: This is dumb, antifa is just the anarchists with a goal, lol. No one is saying they're awesome or even supporting them, just that Neo fucking Nazis who want to pursue ethnic cleansing are far far worse. Not to mention that antifa counter protests the Nazi fucks for the most part, not much more. (That I hear about anyway) No Nazis, no antifa, no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: [Citation needed] Right the rise of communism after ww1 had nothing to do with anything. It's not like the fighting and facisms success in Italy had anything to do with Hitler adopting facism, and then allying with Italy. The growth of communism is what motivated some of WW2. The fascists seeked to destroy it, as much as the Communists seeked to destroy capitalism. It's why the US wanted nothing to do with most of WW2. We didn't care for either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: The growth of communism is what motivated some of WW2. The fascists seeked to destroy it, as much as the Communists seeked to destroy capitalism. It's why the US wanted nothing to do with most of WW2. We didn't care for either side. What? Hitler invaded like 10 capitalist countries before invading the USSR. The US didn't enter because the public was tired of Europe's shit from WWI and isolationism was believed to be the best path. Are you saying that France, England, the Netherlands, etc were equivalent to the USSR or Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, CitizenVectron said: What? Hitler invaded like 10 capitalist countries before invading the USSR. The US didn't enter because the public was tired of Europe's shit from WWI and isolationism was believed to be the best path. Are you saying that France, England, the Netherlands, etc were equivalent to the USSR or Germany? Are you seriously trying to get through to Scape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: Right the rise of communism after ww1 had nothing to do with anything. It's not like the fighting and facisms success in Italy had anything to do with Hitler adopting facism, and then allying with Italy. The growth of communism is what motivated some of WW2. The fascists seeked to destroy it, as much as the Communists seeked to destroy capitalism. It's why the US wanted nothing to do with most of WW2. We didn't care for either side. lol, this is so bad i don't even know where to begin. I mean remember that time we defeated communist Japan!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 There were street clashes between communists and fascists in Weimar Germany. I *think* that was what scape was referencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 That's true, but there are also street clashes between the alt-right and anime fans so I don't think these things always lead to world war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: This is dumb, antifa is just the anarchists with a goal, lol. No one is saying they're awesome or even supporting them, just that Neo fucking Nazis who want to pursue ethnic cleansing are far far worse. 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Not to mention that antifa counter protests the Nazi fucks for the most part, not much more. (That I hear about anyway) No Nazis, no antifa, no problem Right sure, the problem is the definition of Nazi has become "Any one right of Marx" Remember the free speech rally in Boston about a year ago? I remember everyone all in an uproar about Nazis being allowed to spread hate in our own city. Yeah... Most of the speakers there where leftists, and minority speakers, speaking out against the right. Those damn Nazis... People are quick to pair all conservatives as Nazis. Ben Shapiro is being called a Nazi. He's so Jewish he wears a yamaka full time and cries about the crimes against the Jews whenever he can. It would be like calling DVD a Nazi. It's just fucking insane. The people waving Nazi flags, yeah, fuck them. The people actually saying pro white nationalist shit, yeah, fuck them. My issue is people are taking all conservatives and calling them Nazis. This divide isn't going to help anything. I'm not saying that the right is any better here. The people who aren't neo-nazis are just as deluded. They are becoming more extreme in their own ways, and defending and making excuses for neo-nazis, just as the left is doing with the anarchists and communists. This eagerness to destroy the other is making each side more extreme. Moderates who would otherwise have no problem saying what their side is doing is wrong any other day, are now making excuses and defending them. "Oh it's just waving a Nazi flag, oh it's just a couple of burning cars, it's just no big deal, the real problem is those other people." That's how civil wars start. This shits fucking retarded. We are letting a bunch of LARPing assholes define politics in this country. This will lead to nothing good, as long as we keep making excuses for extremists. It will lead to real fighting which will lead to a real war, which will lead to one of these groups actually getting into power and fucking everything up for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Jews can be fascists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scape Zero said: Right sure, the problem is the definition of Nazi has become "Any one right of Marx" Remember the free speech rally in Boston about a year ago? I remember everyone all in an uproar about Nazis being allowed to spread hate in our own city. Yeah... Most of the speakers there where leftists, and minority speakers, speaking out against the right. Those damn Nazis... People are quick to pair all conservatives as Nazis. Ben Shapiro is being called a Nazi. He's so Jewish he wears a yamaka full time and cries about the crimes against the Jews whenever he can. It would be like calling DVD a Nazi. It's just fucking insane. The people waving Nazi flags, yeah, fuck them. The people actually saying pro white nationalist shit, yeah, fuck them. My issue is people are taking all conservatives and calling them Nazis. This divide isn't going to help anything. I'm not saying that the right is any better here. The people who aren't neo-nazis are just as deluded. They are becoming more extreme in their own ways, and defending and making excuses for neo-nazis, just as the left is doing with the anarchists and communists. This eagerness to destroy the other is making each side more extreme. Moderates who would otherwise have no problem saying what their side is doing is wrong any other day, are now making excuses and defending them. "Oh it's just waving a Nazi flag, oh it's just a couple of burning cars, it's just no big deal, the real problem is those other people." That's how civil wars start. This shits fucking retarded. We are letting a bunch of LARPing assholes define politics in this country. This will lead to nothing good, as long as we keep making excuses for extremists. It will lead to real fighting which will lead to a real war, which will lead to one of these groups actually getting into power and fucking everything up for everyone. Did you read what nublood posted. He equated an actual pro-ethnic cleanser to a member of Antifa. That's why this whole discussion started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: What? Hitler invaded like 10 capitalist countries before invading the USSR. The US didn't enter because the public was tired of Europe's shit from WWI and isolationism was believed to be the best path. Are you saying that France, England, the Netherlands, etc were equivalent to the USSR or Germany? Didn't say that. 12 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: lol, this is so bad i don't even know where to begin. I mean remember that time we defeated communist Japan!? What? 3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: There were street clashes between communists and fascists in Weimar Germany. I *think* that was what scape was referencing. And in Italy. There was a couple other smaller fights that I can't remember that where somewhat significant to the rise of facism and communism after www that bled into www, but my Google Fu is pretty bad right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Antifa isn't political and have no political aspirations, the Neo Nazis do, stop conflating the two, one is much worse than the other and one is purely reactionary to the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Jews can be fascists Sure. Facists aren't always Nazis though. Remember the owner of this forum? Which side did he join at that last gathering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Scape, I think one of the big factors is just volume. If there are 10 or 20x as many right-wing attacks in the US than left-wing, then while both sides deserve blame, one side deserves a lot more. Especially when much of the violence on one side is in response to the other, not an original provocation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, PaladinSolo said: Antifa isn't political and have no political aspirations, the Neo Nazis do, stop conflating the two, one is much worse than the other and is purely reactionary to the other. Fine fuck it whatever guys. Trump won't win, Hillary will, I'm just an idiot, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Scape Zero said: Sure. Facists aren't always Nazis though. No one cares about that difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Scape Zero said: Didn't say that. You said that the US didn't want to enter WWII because it didn't like both sides. But for much of the war one side were Nazis while the others were just Western capitalist countries. Your opinion didn't jive with actual accepted wisdom that it was a "let Europe solve their own problems" attitude that kept the US out of the war, not some belief that the side holding the UK, France, and Holland was detested by the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scape Zero Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Scape, I think one of the big factors is just volume. If there are 10 or 20x as many right-wing attacks in the US than left-wing, then while both sides deserve blame, one side deserves a lot more. Especially when much of the violence on one side is in response to the other, not an original provocation. Don't get me wrong! I agree! It's bullshit! But are these attacks coming from those fat dudes who just wanna be an edgelord and support free speech of offensive shit? Or is it from the psychos who bomb abortion clinics? When all this shit started, it was antifa that attacked first. They went all black bloc, covering their faces, provoking fights and attacking people with make shift weapons. This then lead to last year's rally where people are waving Nazi flags and driving a car into a group of people killing one of them. This shit needs to stop! Both of them need to be called out so people stop taking fucking sides! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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