Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: Of course I did. I didn't vote for him in the primary for that very reason. Who did you vote for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, Greatoneshere said: Who did you vote for? I voted for Clinton in the VA primary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 I honestly don’t know what a qualified presidential candidate looks like other than someone who was the governor of a state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 The fact you guys are even having this argument proves that Trump has lowered the bar for candidates as opposed to raising it, and if our response to Trump’s incompetence is, ‘Hey, this lawyer guy is pretty fucking smart, he could be President!’ then let’s just burn everything down now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chris- said: The fact you guys are even having this argument proves that Trump has lowered the bar for candidates as opposed to raising it, and if our response to Trump’s incompetence is, ‘Hey, this lawyer guy is pretty fucking smart, he could be President!’ then let’s just burn everything down now. But some of the framers were just pretty fucking smart lawyer guys so... fuck you? I’ve got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I voted for Clinton in the VA primary. Well Clinton was even less qualified than Obama so shows what you know! 8 minutes ago, Chris- said: The fact you guys are even having this argument proves that Trump has lowered the bar for candidates as opposed to raising it, and if our response to Trump’s incompetence is, ‘Hey, this lawyer guy is pretty fucking smart, he could be President!’ then let’s just burn everything down now. Yeah, I agree, but to be fair . . . 4 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: But some of the framers were just pretty fucking smart lawyer guys so... fuck you? I’ve got nothing. This. Lawyers are legislators despite how dumb all the laywers in the news have been recently lawyers can certainly be Presidents, I think. Lincoln was a lawyer, guys. And it was his legal skills that helped him get abolition through. Not saying Avenatti is Lincoln or the Founders though, lolol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Well Clinton was even less qualified than Obama so shows what you know! Yeah, I agree, but to be fair . . . This. Lawyers are legislators despite how dumb all the laywers in the news have been recently lawyers can certainly be Presidents, I think. Lincoln was a lawyer, guys. And it was his legal skills that helped him get abolition through. Not saying Avenatti is Lincoln or the Founders though, lolol. I don’t doubt that Avanatti is a smart guy and would be a better President than Trump...But neither one of those are particularly difficult hurdles to clear, and neither one means that a person is inherently ‘qualified’ to be President. Being better than the current President means nothing when the current President is so wildly unqualified. If any one of you really gives a shit about ‘restoring the honor of the Presidency’ or whatever, you should laugh people out of the room if they suggest Michael Avanatti or Mark Cuban or whoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Creating a set of qualifications for President is difficult because there is absolutely no job like it. Even Governor of a large state like California or Texas doesn’t encapsulate the responsibilities of the POTUS. I think we have to look at things past presidents have done well and attempt to distill what it was they allowed them to do that and then look for candidates who seem to possess similar traits. I think a lot of skills that lawyers tend to develop over their careers can be hugely helpful in parsing lots of opposing view points and creating consensus and coalitions of differing voices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I eagerly look forward to Avenatti’s primary debates with The Zuck, and Rock “the Dwayne” Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 hours ago, CayceG said: I think we're saying different things with the same words. Being qualified is an objective thing. You have a list of qualities, or you don't. Supporting certain policies or not supporting policies is not a definition of "qualification" and is a subjective thing. You're using the term wrong, but I understand what you mean. I'm speaking in the objective sense though. Well, I'll preface this by saying I totally get what you or Wade are saying, but "qualified" doesn't really mean anything to me. Ex: McCain had decades of experience, and he was a neo-conservative who mocked Obama's proposal to go into Pakistan if there was actionable intelligence that Osama was there. That experience would have produced worse results than Obama. One of the most infamous examples is the 1860 election. Lincoln had far less experience than Breckinridge, the latter later being a Confederate Secretary of War. I mean... eh, if someone agrees with me more, they're automatically more qualified because I don't see Trump's ideas leading to prosperity. That doesn't mean Avenatti is anywhere near my top choice, either. But I'd say yeah, Trump is less qualified. 1 hour ago, Chris- said: The fact you guys are even having this argument proves that Trump has lowered the bar for candidates as opposed to raising it, and if our response to Trump’s incompetence is, ‘Hey, this lawyer guy is pretty fucking smart, he could be President!’ then let’s just burn everything down now. I do not disagree with you at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 there are some glaring omissions on this list but I think Avenatti is in the top ten no mater what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: there are some glaring omissions on this list but I think Avenatti is in the top ten no mater what SCOTUS nominee Garland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Abramson should be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: there are some glaring omissions on this list but I think Avenatti is in the top ten no mater what So long as it actually produces positive change overall for everyone, I couldn't care less if the masses are being grifted or not. I'd prefer it not be done that way, but I'll take that over most other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Well, I'll preface this by saying I totally get what you or Wade are saying, but "qualified" doesn't really mean anything to me. Ex: McCain had decades of experience, and he was a neo-conservative who mocked Obama's proposal to go into Pakistan if there was actionable intelligence that Osama was there. That experience would have produced worse results than Obama. One of the most infamous examples is the 1860 election. Lincoln had far less experience than Breckinridge, the latter later being a Confederate Secretary of War. I mean... eh, if someone agrees with me more, they're automatically more qualified because I don't see Trump's ideas leading to prosperity. That doesn't mean Avenatti is anywhere near my top choice, either. But I'd say yeah, Trump is less qualified. Yeah, I understand you. You're just using "qualified" wrong. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: I eagerly look forward to Avenatti’s primary debates with The Zuck, and Rock “the Dwayne” Johnson. I thought The Rock was a Republican? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, Jason said: SCOTUS nominee Garland? Eric Garland the game theory grifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: So long as it actually produces positive change overall for everyone, I couldn't care less if the masses are being grifted or not. I'd prefer it not be done that way, but I'll take that over most other options. You are going to be disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: You are going to be disappointed I was just speaking generically. Avenatti specifically? I have no idea, but I don't like the idea, as I've said before in the thread heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said: I was just speaking generically. Avenatti specifically? I have no idea, but I don't like the idea, as I've said before in the thread heh. I was talking about all of the #resistance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I was talking about all of the #resistance From the tweet or in general? As @SaysWho? says, guess we should all just fucking kill ourselves lawl. I think there's some hope or I'd move out of the country to a better one, obviously. Anyone who truly has no hope should stop bothering and move out of the country, at the very least. Put your beliefs where your mouth is. If you've already moved, good (speaking generically). Hopeless people are useless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 No one who is grifting the masses is going to make the world a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Hopeless people are useless. "Hopeful" people are worse than useless - they're annoying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: No one who is grifting the masses is going to make the world a better place. Depends on the nature and goal of the grift. Often times good plans require grifting the masses. 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: "Hopeful" people are worse than useless - they're annoying. That's ridiculous and you know it. It's not binary - saying I have some hope doesn't make me a hopeful person, but a hopeless person in this dire political situation we find ourselves in truly is useless. A hopeful person at least has the potential to contribute. I think healthy skepticism is the way to live life, but if one truly feels this is a completely unsalvageable situation - why continue to live in America then? That makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Moving to another country isn’t exactly easy or inexpensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Moving to another country isn’t exactly easy or inexpensive Illegals do it all the time how can it be so hard? /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: but if one truly feels this is a completely unsalvageable situation - why continue to live in America then? Because: (a) it's a serious pain in the ass to move (b) it's kinda/sorta "fun" to watch/participate in this conflagration I well and truly have no "hope" whatsoever, but that hasn't stopped me yet from active engagement, has it? To hell with "hope" - it's a pretty, empty four-letter word that's the refuge of the fearful. It's only when all hope is lost and when the battle is based on something (anger/revenge/honor/etc.) other than that hollow vessel can there be any chance of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Because: (a) it's a serious pain in the ass to move (b) it's kinda/sorta "fun" to watch/participate in this conflagration I well and truly have no "hope" whatsoever, but that hasn't stopped me yet from active engagement, has it? To hell with "hope" - it's a pretty, empty four-letter word that's the refuge of the fearful. It's only when all hope is lost and when the battle is based on something (anger/revenge/honor/etc.) other than that hollow vessel can there be any chance of victory. Hope isn't a feeling in this case - it's speculation on my part. I'm saying I have hope, based on the evidence I see, that things will, eventually, get better through, primarily, changing our elected representatives to the "right" people. Redsox doesn't think so. I simply replied that if he truly doesn't think so, why even bother with any of this? I think it's a fair question heh. Surely you see the irony in his statement? I agree that sitting around hoping is a pointless waste of time, but hope is also a great motivator - certainly greater than a hopeless person is. True hopelessness means you don't expect anything to change, so that isn't helpful at all. You're right that it hasn't stopped you from active engagement, but I don't believe you when you say you truly have no hope, I think that's just your contrarian nature and a desire to not allow yourself to care or hope like many do as a way to cope, myself included. Again, my speculation. I think everyone here knows, deep down, you care because you aren't a monster, no matter how much we joke about it. It is kinda/sorta fun to watch, I guess, until we keep remembering that this is having a real toll on real people. But I digress - I didn't mean to imply anyone shouldn't try to find some fun in all this mayhem to cope, but to dismiss all Resistance because "we'll all be disappointed" strikes me as a dismissive attitude (referring to redsox's post). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Unless the #Resistance is willing to guillotine their Trump-supporting neighbors by their own hands or -- more importantly -- sacrifice their own families for the cause, they should stop using that word to describe themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I have zero reason to have negative feelings about #TheResistance. I've seen them protesting from the beginning, recruiting, running for office, and stifling the president wherever possible. They're good peeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Hope isn't a feeling in this case - it's speculation on my part. I'm saying I have hope, based on the evidence I see, that things will, eventually, get better through, primarily, changing our elected representatives to the "right" people. Redsox doesn't think so. I simply replied that if he truly doesn't think so, why even bother with any of this? I think it's a fair question heh. Surely you see the irony in his statement? The #resistance is useless. I don’t see how this means I should not bother with politics or move to Canada. I have no idea where you came up with the underlined part. I’m starting to think you don’t know what the #resistance is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 This image sums up the #resistance 22 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I have zero reason to have negative feelings about #TheResistance. I've seen them protesting from the beginning, recruiting, running for office, and stifling the president wherever possible. They're good peeps. I’d like to see some examples of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: The #resistance is useless. I don’t see how this means I should not bother with politics or move to Canada. I have no idea where you came up with the underlined part. I’m starting to think you don’t know what the #resistance is. Are you specifically talking those who associate themselves specifically with the hashtag or meme #resistance or anyone who considered themselves part of the group trying to get things back to normal? I assumed you meant the latter, not the former, which is my mistake if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: I thought The Rock was a Republican? He's not registered with either party and is an independent, he attended both conventions in 2000 and publically stated he voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 (and neither Trump or Hillary in 2016). He was registered as a Republican prior to 2006-ish, I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: This image sums up the #resistance I’d like to see some examples of this. Who do you think showed up to the health care town halls en masse and completely changed the conversation, exactly? Or the significant increase in people becoming candidates, or joined gun control activist groups? The Resistance isn't a club with a membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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