DarkStar189 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 23 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Moreover, the local police lied: the door was not propped open by a teacher when the gunman entered. I believe she had shut the door but probably didn't realize it had been unlocked previously, maybe from a janitor or something. A door with a pushbar on the inside can be set to an unlock position and you would never know by looking at it. I've seen a ton of ridiculous comments online about the door in question, from people that have no understanding of a commercial door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, DarkStar189 said: I believe she had shut the door but probably didn't realize it had been unlocked previously, maybe from a janitor or something. A door with a pushbar on the inside can be set to an unlock position and you would never know by looking at it. I've seen a ton of ridiculous comments online about the door in question, from people that have no understanding of a commercial door. Correct , if someone dogs a crashbar, people will exit through door or walk by and never notice it. At least 5 or 6 times a year I take calls for this issue. "My access control is broke and people can just walk right in" and ill show up and show them its been dogged open or its the door closure is out adjustment and the door closes 99.9% of the way but the latch gets hung up. I also really hope if this is was the case that what ever poor soul didnt check the door or dogged it open doesnt take it as their fault because lord know the arm chair commandos of the world will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 More shootings Multiple people were shot at a medical building in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police say WWW.NPR.ORG Tulsa police Capt. Richard Meulenberg says multiple people were wounded and that "some unfortunately were killed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 At least one a day until the guns go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 When people are upset at the things we've done is not an appropriate time to look into the things we've done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 If Wu-Tang couldn't stop gun violence who can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Shifting Police Timeline Now States Uvalde, TX Never Existed WWW.THEONION.COM UVALDE, TX—Once again shifting the official timeline of how authorities reacted to a mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, Uvalde school police chief Pedro Arredondo released new details during a press conference Wednesday, stating that Uvalde, TX had never existed. “After several days of exhaustive investigations… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Jason said: The area outside the school needed a single point of ingress, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 House Judiciary Committee poised to advance emergency gun measures - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM The president will ask Congress to pass “commonsense laws," the White House said. Biden to do nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: House Judiciary Committee poised to advance emergency gun measures - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM The president will ask Congress to pass “commonsense laws," the White House said. Biden to do nothing I mean making the Republicans vote against it is better politics than the Democrats normally engage in, but the press will probably pin it solely on Manchin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: House Judiciary Committee poised to advance emergency gun measures - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM The president will ask Congress to pass “commonsense laws," the White House said. Biden to do nothing I listened to the hearing a bit this morning. It's an absolute joke (as are all hearings). Republicans talking about secure single entry schools, arming teachers, and staffing retired police officers at schools, like there wasn't a mass shooting at a grocery store and hospital in the past 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 It drives me insane to think about hardening schools and hospitals as if that’s going to stop mass shootings. Let’s forget the fact that we’ve seen time and time again that multiple “good guys with guns” who are paid to protect schools flee when they’re fired upon. Let’s forget that in situations like Uvalde and Pulse, cops will wait outside while shooters execute hostages and civilians, and in both cases some amount of lives were saved by non-police taking action. The Las Vegas shooting was less than 5 years ago. One fucking dude shot almost 500 people. Almost. Five. Hundred. People. You cannot secure every area. You cannot harden every target. You cannot prevent guns from getting into every building. Guns must be confiscated and bought back, the right to own and purchase them must be abolished. Everything else is fucking bullshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 Texas senator: School police chief didn't know of 911 calls | AP News APNEWS.COM UVALDE, Texas (AP) — The commander at the scene of a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas , was not informed of panicked 911 calls coming from students trapped inside the building as the massacre unfolded, a Texas state senator said Thursday. Quote The commander at the scene of a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, was not informed of panicked 911 calls coming from students trapped inside the building as the massacre unfolded, a Texas state senator said Thursday. Sen. Roland Gutierrez said the pleas for help from people inside Robb Elementary Schoo l on May 24 did not make their way to school district police Chief Pete Arredondo. The Democratic senator called it a “system failure” that calls were going to the city police but were not communicated to Arredondo. “I want to know specifically who was receiving the 911 calls,” Gutierrez said during a news conference, adding that no single person or entity was fully to blame for the massacre. However, he said, Gov. Greg Abbot should accept much of the responsibility for the failures in the police response. “There was error at every level, including the legislative level. Greg Abbott has plenty of blame in all of this,” Gutierrez said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Already negotiating himself down in the middle of a statement. Just say they should be banned, period! And if a ban isn't going to pass state in plain terms the people who are to blame for that! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: Already negotiating himself down in the middle of a statement. Just say they should be banned, period! And if a ban isn't going to pass state in plain terms the people who are to blame for that! (rubs temples) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: (rubs temples) sunuvabitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Oh goodie, a 3 year age difference. Now I can rest easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, DarkStar189 said: Oh goodie, a 3 year age difference. Now I can rest easy. Instead of schools it can be colleges! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 It'll just be the same thing. Raising the age to 21 will literally do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, finaljedi said: It'll just be the same thing. Raising the age to 21 will literally do nothing. But they will have"done something". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 11 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: When people are upset at the things we've done is not an appropriate time to look into the things we've done I don't know how ANYONE can deny that we have a crisis of policing in this country. Do police prevent crimes? No. Do they solve crimes? No. Do they offer any sort of usefulness at all? Absolutely not. Are they a drain on resources? Yes. Do they prevent us from actually using our resources to benefit cities and people? Yes. The only thing you can count on the police to reliably do is to shot unarmed and innocent people. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Firewithin said: Instead of schools it can be colleges! I remember after the Virginia Tech thing I was at school and was carrying like an art bag or something and someone was nervous and asked me what was in it because they thought it was a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Republican Congressman Blames Mass Shootings on Women Having Rights | Vanity Fair WWW.VANITYFAIR.COM According to Representative Billy Long, abortions, not guns, are the problem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 So NYS, among the many measures passed, opted to include a ban on BODY ARMOR! What in the actual fuck is THAT about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 21 is good because it’s three more years of brain development 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 3 dead in shooting outside of church in Ames WWW.KCCI.COM Three are dead after a shooting took place outside of Cornerstone Church in Ames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 3 hours ago, SoberChef said: So NYS, among the many measures passed, opted to include a ban on BODY ARMOR! What in the actual fuck is THAT about? Recently all these shooters are reported to have some body armour on them, while committing these horrendous crimes. From what I heard last night is that you will need proof to show you need it for work purposes only, like security guard service. I’m for it I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 In certain industries there is justification for middle-men (though it's usually shrinking due to the internet), particularly where choices aren't easily understandable by consumers, and where the middle-men have some kind of legal fiduciary duty to the consumer. But...that's like 5% of middle-men cases, and dealers definitely don't fall under that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: In certain industries there is justification for middle-men (though it's usually shrinking due to the internet), particularly where choices aren't easily understandable by consumers, and where the middle-men have some kind of legal fiduciary duty to the consumer. But...that's like 5% of middle-men cases, and dealers definitely don't fall under that. So where you buying your guns from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: 3 dead in shooting outside of church in Ames WWW.KCCI.COM Three are dead after a shooting took place outside of Cornerstone Church in Ames. So courteous of the shooter to bring the thoughts and prayers straight to the victims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 The defeatist attitudes of this board are often perplexing to me. I get the annoyance at the pre-negotiating down aspect of Biden’s comments, but an increase to age 21 nationally is still a better position than where we sit today This reminds me of those on the most extreme anti-abortion side, the self titled “abortion abolitionists”, who hate the “pro life” people because they are practicing incrementalism. Turns out the pro lifers won with this approach. In any scenario where the odds are against you, taking small wins here and there is the sensible path until the fundamentals of the situation change in your favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: 3 dead in shooting outside of church in Ames WWW.KCCI.COM Three are dead after a shooting took place outside of Cornerstone Church in Ames. I know we did nothing and that didn’t seem to help but I thought for sure that this time after doing nothing it would finally put an end to this madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I wish more Democrats had this kind of spine and would actively call out the GOP on this, in speeches, campaign ads, etc. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Always a classic when it comes to the gun debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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