Jwheel86 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, 5timechamp said: Sooo many questions… a true timeline is needed to understand why this school didnt lock down fast enough… WE MUST pull some lessons out of this tragedy beyond the usual arguments over weapons From the very sus Texas Ranger press conference: 11:28am- Shooter crashes truck after shooting grandma and starts shooting in the street. | 12 minutes??? | 11:40am- shooter enters school unobstructed. | 4 minutes | 11:44am- City and School Police enter, engage, are shot at, shooter enters classroom. | 60 minutes ???? | 12:44pm?- Border Patrol SWAT enters classroom. There is no way the police found a key right when SWAT arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: From the very sus Texas Ranger press conference: 11:28am- Shooter crashes truck after shooting grandma and starts shooting in the street. | 12 minutes??? | 11:40am- shooter enters school unobstructed. | 4 minutes | 11:44am- City and School Police enter, engage, are shot at, shooter enters classroom. | 60 minutes ???? | 12:44pm?- Border Patrol SWAT enters classroom. There is no way the police found a key right when SWAT arrived. That is a start… it omits/changes/contradicts the school folks that supposedly met the perp at the door, the fact that perp was firing outside the school plus many other things…. hell for a moment the fear was that authorities deliberately barricaded the guy in with the kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: I don't understand how there isn't criminal negligence here. The police got to the school and engaged the kid for twelve minutes outside of the school. Why isn't every classroom being locked down the minute the police get the 911 call from grandma that lead to the police rushing there? Shit, twelve minutes should be enough to enter lockdown. How does the terrorist get into a classroom with a door that locks so tight it takes police almost an hour to find a faculty member with a key to get the door open? Criminal negligence would require the police to have done something causative of the deaths. Because the police have no duty to act, their futzing around for forty plus minutes is just a moral failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It needs to go beyond mere termination. There should be Federal and state investigations as to whether actual criminal negligence occurred. Things keep going the way it seems to me cops are gonna cut these guys loose like they did with George Floyd’s murderer to try and save face for the profession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Criminal negligence would require the police to have done something causative of the deaths. Because the police have no duty to act, their futzing around for forty plus minutes is just a moral failing. I'm more wondering when and how the school was notified about the situation. Classroom lockdowns should start with the door being locked before kids hide in a corner away from the entrance. That first step shouldn't even take a minute, but the terrorist managed to make it into the school and into a classroom before that happened. How? If police couldn't get into the classroom without a key, how did this kid get into the classroom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, 5timechamp said: There is an expectation of those gentlemen and if they failed they should be held accountable.. its part of our societal contract That expectation you have is wrong. They are not obligated to protect anyone, especially at the expense of their own safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I'm trying to understand why the police wouldn't have gone in sooner. Once the shooter was in the classroom, were they operating under the assumption that it was a hostage situation? And making a move could have resulted in more loss of life? Or was it really just cowardice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Criminal negligence would require the police to have done something causative of the deaths What about one of the cops apparently calling out to survivors getting one girl to revesl her location and subsequently her getting shot by the shooter? Does that qualify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, DarkStar189 said: I'm trying to understand why the police wouldn't have gone in sooner. Once the shooter was in the classroom, were they operating under the assumption that it was a hostage situation? And making a move could have resulted in more loss of life? Or was it really just cowardice? The only explanation is that the door was locked and they needed to find staff to get a key. No one has reported any explosions, so SWAT didn't blow the door open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What about one of the cops apparently calling out to survivors getting one girl to revesl her location and subsequently her getting shot by the shooter? Does that qualify? It is likely the closest thing, especially because you can pretty easily prove that is the exact opposite of their training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: The only explanation is that the door was locked and they needed to find staff to get a key. No one has reported any explosions, so SWAT didn't blow the door open. And this explanation does not make sense. Uvalde’s city ordinance requires all commercial buildings and schools to hav Knox Box key lockers on their exterior, which the local fire department (who was on scene) has access to in case of emergencies after hours. The master key for the school was certainly in the Knox box, so there was no need to track down a staff member. Just get the fire fighters to open the box and get the key! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, sblfilms said: And this explanation does not make sense. Uvalde’s city ordinance requires all commercial buildings and schools to hav Knox Box key lockers on their exterior, which the local fire department (who was on scene) has access to in case of emergencies after hours. The master key for the school was certainly in the Knox box, so there was no need to track down a staff member. Just get the fire fighters to open the box and get the key! This is the case in many districts. If there's a fire in a classroom street hours, fire departments don't have to axe down doors to get to them. I don't understand why it would take longer than five minutes to get a key, let alone anything close to an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: That expectation you have is wrong. They are not obligated to protect anyone, especially at the expense of their own safety. I understand that… but the general public doesnt or wont accept that specially since the main thing they want is to hold someone or something accountable other than guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, 5timechamp said: I understand that… but the general public doesnt or wont accept that specially since the main thing they want is to hold someone or something accountable other than guns You know what's going to happen? Absolutely nothing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 7 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: wow backdoor open they were pretty much asking for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: You know what's going to happen? Absolutely nothing. They're trying to ride out the news cycle. If a week passes and people are still talking about it then they might be in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: They're trying to ride out the news cycle. If a week passes and people are still talking about it then they might be in trouble. Ya the fact we are two days past this event and don't have a timeline of events doesn't instill me with confidence in law enforcements' response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Of course, the NRA convention becomes a gun free zone when HE shows up: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 22 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Of course, the NRA convention becomes a gun free zone when HE shows up: Guns are banned at a meeting to celebrate guns… a place potentially full of “good guys with guns” thinks it shouldnt have guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Border patrol "heroes" on Snapchat during the school attack, are our cops Russian bots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I don’t believe in the death penalty, but fuck those cops. Inject them straight to hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Hang them all 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Hang them all Visibly upset? That is the face of a “man” who knows exactly how much of a piece of shit he is and still doesn’t care. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Feelings over Facts, works every time in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Hang them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 22 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Hang them all Don't thread on me with your first amendment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Timeline has changed again, Border Patrol arrived significantly earlier and was held back by City Police. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Hang Mike pence! Don't bring politics into this! Big dog small dog IMGFLIP.COM An image tagged big dog small dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chakoo Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Timeline has changed again, Border Patrol arrived significantly earlier and was held back by City Police. The continued drip of how much of a fuckup this was is doing a good job of keeping people angry for longer and keeping it in the news cycle. I hope this keeps going on for weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris- Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 They were getting 911 calls from children in the room he was locked in while they waited to breach it. There is no hell hot enough for these pigs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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