Jwheel86 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Motherfucker, do you not understand that Medicaid HCBS ("let seniors live in dignity") is already means tested below the fucking poverty line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 He doesn't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricofoley Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The vibes of this are more or less the bit from beginning of Mad Max: Fury Road where Immortan Joe emerges to release a meager amount of water and tell the crowd "DO NOT GROW TOO ATTACHED TO WATER, YOU WILL RESENT ITS ABSENCE" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 That's a baller name for a yacht, not gonna lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 It's really telling when reporters do and don't decide they're allowed to editorialize like this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: It's really telling when reporters do and don't decide they're allowed to editorialize like this Heard this Democrats in disarray shit on NPR this week too, from one of the anchors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Ricofoley said: It's really telling when reporters do and don't decide they're allowed to editorialize like this Either Jason stole your post, or you stole his tweet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Don't see an article (just broke), but CNN is reporting Dem leaders/White House floating $2.1 trillion compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The main thing for me is National Paid Leave. That would be so big as my gf had to use the unpaid leave earlier this year. This nice to have that, but $$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Opinion | Katie Porter’s sharp criticism of Kyrsten Sinema over reconciliation reveals an important truth - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM The Arizona senator's caginess is bordering on a betrayal of public duty. Quote until Senator Sinema stops being cute, and starts doing her job and leading for the people of Arizona — we’re simply not going to be able to move the president’s agenda forward. Quote At the end of the day, what’s at issue is whether Democrats will rise to all of these monumental challenges. So Porter is right: If Sinema and Manchin truly believe the infrastructure bill alone — or that bill paired with a reconciliation bill that’s been effectively gutted — is enough to meet those challenges, then they should damn well tell their voters and the American people that they think this. And then they should feel compelled to justify it. Quote Stressing that it’s impossible to negotiate until centrists say what they want, Porter added: I was not elected to read the mind of Kyrsten Sinema. Thank goodness, because I have no idea what she’s thinking. ... The reconciliation bill is the heart of the Biden and Democratic Party agenda. It would invest in our people in all kinds of ways, providing social and economic infrastructure — child care, health care, education, paid leave — that would help and empower millions struggling to reach or remain in the middle class. As Jonathan Cohn puts it, all this would “alter everyday life in the same way that the core pieces of the New Deal and Great Society did.” That part of the interview: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 EXCLUSIVE White House, top Democrats agree to boost carbon capture credit in budget bill -sources WWW.REUTERS.COM The White House and top Democratic lawmakers have agreed to boost a tax credit for industrial carbon capture projects in a deal that could help solidify support for the budget reconciliation bill at the heart of President Joe Biden's economic agenda, two sources with knowledge of the matter said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: EXCLUSIVE White House, top Democrats agree to boost carbon capture credit in budget bill -sources WWW.REUTERS.COM The White House and top Democratic lawmakers have agreed to boost a tax credit for industrial carbon capture projects in a deal that could help solidify support for the budget reconciliation bill at the heart of President Joe Biden's economic agenda, two sources with knowledge of the matter said. this seems good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 @Joe your boy is at it again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: @Joe your boy is at it again Also: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 18 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Either Jason stole your post, or you stole his tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 That Larry summers is for option #2 here tells me instantly it's the wrong choice. I think this 1.8T, if we can get Manchin on board, is what at minimum needs to get done. It covers most democratic constituencies and helps medicare recipients which will be key for winning any future election. It still includes climate provisions which is the #1 most important issue even if it may not be the most salient. Including a Medicare negotiation for drugs and then you've got some stuff to run on going forward and some stuff to brag about. 1.8T over ten years isn't enough but this is the minimum that is necessary for the country and democratic electoral prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 10/1/2021 at 4:01 AM, Jason said: Speaking of old tweets: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Option 1. Hopefully all of the stuff left out of option 1 becomes option 1 for another administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Option 1. Hopefully all of the stuff left out of option 1 becomes option 1 for another administration. Or at bigger Democratic majority that can't be held hostage by coal guy and spork girl. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Option 1. Hopefully all of the stuff left out of option 1 becomes option 1 for another administration. RIP humanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Paid leave should absolutely be high priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Do child care, it will bring in the most votes and help the most people. It will make it harder for the GOP to cut once people expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Analysis: Why Kyrsten Sinema's tactics may backfire WWW.CNN.COM But while Democrats are lucky to have a Democrat of any ideological persuasion representing West Virginia, they may not be getting the best bang for their buck from Sinema... Their party has a much easier time winning in Arizona than West Virginia. Some numbers: Quote Part of what may be happening is that Sinema thinks that Arizona is a redder state than it actually is. That's understandable insofar as Democrats have only started winning statewide races there with regularity recently. Sinema became the first Democrat to win an Arizona Senate race since 1988. This feat, however, was repeated by Mark Kelly in 2020. Kelly won by basically the same margin against the same opponent as Sinema and in a tougher political environment. Biden, too, became the first Democrat to win the state on the presidential level since 1996. Beyond Kelly and Biden, Democrats in Arizona now control two of the five seats on the state's corporation commission, the secretary of state's office and superintendent of public instruction office. They also hold five of the nine US House seats. Quote If she's trying to copy McCain's ways, Sinema isn't doing a great job. McCain usually voted with his party. In his final full year in the Senate, he voted with his party more than 90% of the time on party unity votes (i.e. those where at least 50% of one party voted a different way from 50% of the other party). This was about on par for him. McCain voted with his party less than the median senator, but not that much less. Sinema is an entirely different legislator. She votes against her party far more than the median legislator on party unity votes, according to the CQ Almanac. From 2013 to 2019, she's never voted with her party more than 75% of the time. Quote Democrats in Arizona are about as liberal as the national average, according to both the 2020 primary exit polls and CES. More than 60% of Democrats called themselves liberal in both surveys. The bottom line is that Sinema may be unnecessarily moderate for her own electoral good. Maybe it'll work out for her. Still, It's possible though that not only is she making Biden's life more difficult, but her own electoral future more difficult as well. Putting aside the general stance here that she's not actually a moderate (she's conservative), this has been one of the more confusing strategies I've seen. I don't really get, especially with her big time leftist views she espoused prior to entering office, why she tacked so far right. Obviously I'm happy that we have a majority where we can even be talking about national paid leave and free community college and an actual infrastructure bill instead of the meme of infrastructure week. But she could easily be more liberal (and deep down I'm pretty sure she is) and help to get these things done quicker, or at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Putting aside the general stance here that she's not actually a moderate (she's conservative), this has been one of the more confusing strategies I've seen. I don't really get, especially with her big time leftist views she espoused prior to entering office, why she tacked so far right. $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Jason said: $$$ One of the first things I thought of, but even then, people with her background, as far as I know, don't tend to try to out-Manchin Manchin once they're in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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