b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Less roads and highways, more anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 IS IT INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Anything in regards to nuclear power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I want to see what the tax hikes will look like. Is student loan forgiveness going in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Is student loan forgiveness going in this? Lol c'mon man that ain't happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Lol c'mon man that ain't happening Wait til the midterms for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Jason said: SLEEPY JOE BIDEN WANTS TO TAKE OUR CARS AWAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Free community college would be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Chances seem high this stalls out till they can do reconciliation again and just combine both and pass it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 What are the chances of these passing, if they split it into two separate bills? I'd like to think the roads/bridges bill would have at least SOME bipartisan support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, marioandsonic said: I'd like to think the roads/bridges bill would have at least SOME bipartisan support... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, marioandsonic said: What are the chances of these passing, if they split it into two separate bills? I'd like to think the roads/bridges bill would have at least SOME bipartisan support... 4 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: lol Here's the thing, it would have some bipartisan support. The question is would it have any bipartisan votes? And the answer is probably no. Because it's not about legislating for Republicans, it's that anything Dems pass is a win, and the GOP sees governing in only the most stark, zero sum terms. And we can't blame Trump on this one, this has been the position of the Republican party since at least when McConnell declared that their number 1 priority was making Obama a one term president. It's likely McConnell would let half the country burn if it meant depriving the Dems of a "win". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Here's the thing, it would have some bipartisan support. The question is would it have any bipartisan votes? And the answer is probably no. Because it's not about legislating for Republicans, it's that anything Dems pass is a win, and the GOP sees governing in only the most stark, zero sum terms. And we can't blame Trump on this one, this has been the position of the Republican party since at least when McConnell declared that their number 1 priority was making Obama a one term president. It's likely McConnell would let half the country burn if it meant depriving the Dems of a "win". I mean he kind of already has considering the state of wild fires, hurricanes, tornados, and floods in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 lmao yes because big businesses get NO USE whatsoever out of infrastructure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 also this is different than the surface transportation reauthorization which is up for renewal in the fall. This is a good plan but should be bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 that before and after, just wow. Time to tear down urban freeways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 The more I hear about how great this is, the more I need to settle with the fact that the GOP + Machin will kill it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 this shit is fucking insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: this shit is fucking insane wat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: this shit is fucking insane This is what woke culture has brought us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Some points: Upgrading electrical infrastructure and investing in electrical vehicles is a huge plus. But inter-city rail? That is just pipe-dream boondoggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: Some points: Upgrading electrical infrastructure and investing in electrical vehicles is a huge plus. But inter-city rail? That is just pipe-dream boondoggle. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Trains good cars bad end post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Why? Because it's less convenient, and often times slower, than other modes of transport. If I wanted to take rail from Las Vegas to San Diego, there will not be a direct, non-stop route. It's going to probably make stops in Barstow, Victorville, 3 (or more) stops in Los Angeles, and Orange County before actually arriving in San Diego. Direct flights are offered a dozen times a day between these two cities, and I can drive down to San Diego in about 5 hours if I time it right to not get stuck in Riverside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 If only there were something to do to make rail faster and more convenient Oh well better double down on the status quo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Throwing money at any of America’s current infrastructure is a waste of time beyond repairing it. It honestly needs to be torn out and redesigned from the ground up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Because it's less convenient, and often times slower, than other modes of transport. If I wanted to take rail from Las Vegas to San Diego, there will not be a direct, non-stop route. It's going to probably make stops in Barstow, Victorville, 3 (or more) stops in Los Angeles, and Orange County before actually arriving in San Diego. Direct flights are offered a dozen times a day between these two cities, and I can drive down to San Diego in about 5 hours if I time it right to not get stuck in Riverside. Why not have an alternative to flying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: If only there were something to do to make rail faster and more convenient Oh well better double down on the status quo The California high speed rail project would like to have a word with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 The issue with any large-scale project in the US is that landowners have far too many rights to delay things. Some random guy with a shed in the desert could stop a maglev train project for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: The California high speed rail project would like to have a word with you. This is a terrible argument against rail. In fact, it’s not an argument against rail at all. I really hate this maneuver in discussions where people suddenly go to the “well, it can’t happen anyway” card! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Because it's less convenient, and often times slower, than other modes of transport. If I wanted to take rail from Las Vegas to San Diego, there will not be a direct, non-stop route. It's going to probably make stops in Barstow, Victorville, 3 (or more) stops in Los Angeles, and Orange County before actually arriving in San Diego. Direct flights are offered a dozen times a day between these two cities, and I can drive down to San Diego in about 5 hours if I time it right to not get stuck in Riverside. If theres enough demand for a non-stop train between those cities there will be, trains don't have to stop at every station along the way, but internationally trains go hundreds of miles in a few hours, and theres zero reason we can't do that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: If theres enough demand for a non-stop train between those cities there will be, trains don't have to stop at every station along the way. Exactly. And you can have more than one train on the tracks. You could have a train that goes back and forth non-stop, and another that makes stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The California high speed rail project would like to have a word with you. And what of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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