SuperSpreader Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/3/2021 at 7:21 AM, Mercury33 said: No not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 They have somehow made Zemo a sympathetic character... I guess not making him the son of a Nazi helps. I wonder if they will explore his WHOLE arc from starting the new Masters of Evil to founding The Thunderbolts as Citizen V. A lot to explore with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoJoe Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 The mad lads released the Zemo cut. They also released an hour long version because why not. lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just came here to see if anyone posted that video. It's brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 I get strong Ben Shapiro vibes off that video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 well that was a pretty solid episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said: well that was a pretty solid episode Watching now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Now that is America's Captain Spoiler Interestingly the ending is a great metaphor arguing against the "good guy with a gun" power fantasy of safety. Hoskins and Walker have a conversation about how they could have saved more lives in Afghanistan if they were super soldiers, then John becomes super and still can't save lives. And then he goes nuts with power. America I know nothing of the John Walker comic arc. Is the show's plot pulled from one? And should we expect this to go even more interesting places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Now today’s episode is what I was waiting for. Them big, OH SHIT! moments and some cool battles once again. The first 3 episodes were ok, but this one has me excited for this series again and with only 2 episodes left. That ending though was perfect and enjoyed the darkness that you know is lying under their to be explored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Well shit. That was a way to leave me hanging til next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 i guess this can still be a spoiler still but lol Spoiler 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I watched the first episode when it came out but decided to wait a few weeks for some episodes to build up before continuing. Glad I did. It was much more enjoyable and had much more momentum when I was able to watch the last three episodes back-to-back. John Walker is a perfect corruption of the ideals of Captain America. I'm loving the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I still feel the show is doing a really bad job at making me care about The Flag Smashers at all. Endgame and Far From Home work really had to establish how important the blip was and as fans, we’re obviously invested in not having half the characters be dead. Having one character be really invested in the Flag Smashers and everyone else seemingly having misgivings about Karli killing people is a weird way to set up the threat. I know the show is just as much about Sam, Bucky, and Nu Cap as it is the people they’re fighting but it feels really odd to me that they’re just kind of... there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 On 4/9/2021 at 7:59 PM, cusideabelincoln said: Now that is America's Captain Hide contents Interestingly the ending is a great metaphor arguing against the "good guy with a gun" power fantasy of safety. Hoskins and Walker have a conversation about how they could have saved more lives in Afghanistan if they were super soldiers, then John becomes super and still can't save lives. And then he goes nuts with power. America I know nothing of the John Walker comic arc. Is the show's plot pulled from one? And should we expect this to go even more interesting places? Spoiler In the comics he goes beserk too but for different reasons. His secret Identity is outed by former partners of he and Lemar (There were four of them originally) and becuase of that, His parents are taken hostage and he fails to save them and they are killed. This drives him crazy temporarily and he starts to really maim and kill his opponents until Steve fights him and takes the shield back. He's sane now in the comics but is still a douche. In the comics he was basically Capatain AMerica of post Viet Nam Rambo era. LEmar never dies in the comic and I;m sad to see him die on the show. Also both he AND LEmar are enhanced by the power broker before they ever became replacements for Cap. In the comic The Power Broker uses another process to give folks strength which makes them stronger than the super soldier serum... around Spiderman level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I still feel the show is doing a really bad job at making me care about The Flag Smashers at all. Endgame and Far From Home work really had to establish how important the blip was and as fans, we’re obviously invested in not having half the characters be dead. Having one character be really invested in the Flag Smashers and everyone else seemingly having misgivings about Karli killing people is a weird way to set up the threat. I know the show is just as much about Sam, Bucky, and Nu Cap as it is the people they’re fighting but it feels really odd to me that they’re just kind of... there. Yeah, I was hoping for a little more world building here since I totally empathize with the Flag Smashers cause. With Sam's sister being introduced, I thought we'd get a bit more insight into the lives of those that managed to pick themselves up after the snap and then lost it all again when everyone came back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said: Yeah, I was hoping for a little more world building here since I totally empathize with the Flag Smashers cause. With Sam's sister being introduced, I thought we'd get a bit more insight into the lives of those that managed to pick themselves up after the snap and then lost it all again when everyone came back. Right? I feel like a bunch of people displaced by the blip that are interested in getting back to the sense of collaboration that existed after the snap happened could be really interesting! Instead it's a bunch of super soldiers who seem to have no idea what they're doing other than blowing some things up. Even if Sam and Bucky don't have access to Avengers tech and resources, this feels like something that Spider-Man could have Edith take care of on a Sunday morning? Between that and having one of the main set pieces take place in Southeast Asia while having functionally zero visible Southeast Asians on screen... I dunno. I really enjoy what we're getting but I can't help but wish that were getting something with a little more punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Between that and having one of the main set pieces take place in Southeast Asia while having functionally zero visible Southeast Asians on screen It seemed pretty clear it was supposed to be a Dubai kind of thing where it's only expats (or in this case foreign criminals taking advantage of the lack of an extradition treaty) hanging around in certain types of establishments. It's not like they were subtle about it being an extreme hard split between "rich playground" and "desperate poverty". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jason said: It seemed pretty clear it was supposed to be a Dubai kind of thing where it's only expats (or in this case foreign criminals taking advantage of the lack of an extradition treaty) hanging around in certain types of establishments. It's not like they were subtle about it being an extreme hard split between "rich playground" and "desperate poverty". I get it, it still kinda sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: Right? I feel like a bunch of people displaced by the blip that are interested in getting back to the sense of collaboration that existed after the snap happened could be really interesting! Instead it's a bunch of super soldiers who seem to have no idea what they're doing other than blowing some things up. Even if Sam and Bucky don't have access to Avengers tech and resources, this feels like something that Spider-Man could have Edith take care of on a Sunday morning? Between that and having one of the main set pieces take place in Southeast Asia while having functionally zero visible Southeast Asians on screen... I dunno. I really enjoy what we're getting but I can't help but wish that were getting something with a little more punch. I don't think having any super soldiers here really helps. Without them, the story could instead be focused on all the regular people, especially the poor across the globe, spring the cause. Once it's a cause supported by everyday regular people, it gets a lot harder to throw a nuke like Edith or Hulk into the mix. At that point it makes perfect sense to go smaller scale with someone like Sam. I feel like that's the direction they were going in, but sort of lost its way. Zemo would totally be down with the Flag Smashers if not for the supers they employ. That all said, there are two a couple more episodes left and new Cap has certainly put on quite the show. There's still time to make this an issue of a ton of civilians versus a few super powered individuals representing uncaring world governments. I just don't know if there's enough time to adequately resolve that...though maybe you don't really have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Zemo kills Captain John Walmart at the end, right? That's where we all think this is headed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, Reputator said: Zemo kills Captain John Walmart at the end, right? That's where we all think this is headed? I hope they don't kill off Walker. I'd prefer he end up on some vigilante team everybody hates in the future. Narratively, it'll be better to have Bradley left to live in near poverty after being used by the government and Walker getting to walk away and make a mint for some shady military contractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said: I don't think having any super soldiers here really helps. Without them, the story could instead be focused on all the regular people, especially the poor across the globe, spring the cause. Once it's a cause supported by everyday regular people, it gets a lot harder to throw a nuke like Edith or Hulk into the mix. At that point it makes perfect sense to go smaller scale with someone like Sam. I feel like that's the direction they were going in, but sort of lost its way. Zemo would totally be down with the Flag Smashers if not for the supers they employ. That all said, there are two a couple more episodes left and new Cap has certainly put on quite the show. There's still time to make this an issue of a ton of civilians versus a few super powered individuals representing uncaring world governments. I just don't know if there's enough time to adequately resolve that...though maybe you don't really have to. If they don't resolve it maybe it's because they intend for it to be a continuing theme in the next phase of movies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 John Walker could become leader of the Thunderbolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: If they don't resolve it maybe it's because they intend for it to be a continuing theme in the next phase of movies? I hope it is and this is just an origin story for the Flag Smashers. I feel like Captain Better Represents America than Steve's latest actions could further embolden their members. What's America and the rest of the world gonna do? Kill a bunch of poor, mostly brown people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Steve Rogers represents the United States we'd like it to be. John Walker represents the United States as it truly is. *Note: I stole this from @Joestradamus's Instagram 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Pikachu said: John Walker could become leader of the Thunderbolts. Or him AND Zemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I dunno that they could really “do” the Thunderbolts the way they did in the comic. Something like that would be really rad, I just don’t know how they’d go about it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joestradamus Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 16 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Steve Rogers represents the United States we'd like it to be. John Walker represents the United States as it truly is. *Note: I stole this from @Joestradamus's Instagram I'm happy to know at least someone pays attention to what I post every now and then, but also sorry for all the stupid or annoying shit I may be posting lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I dunno that they could really “do” the Thunderbolts the way they did in the comic. Something like that would be really rad, I just don’t know how they’d go about it at all. I've been thinking about how they could make a Thunderbolts team work in the MCU... they just have to stop killing all of the damn villains. I think Ghost from Ant Man and The Wasp is still alive. Her, John Walker, Taskmaster, Abomination (He's still around some where right?) and you have the beginnings of a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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silentbob Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 So who do we think the power broker is? They seem like the mysterious character they are teasing for the next episode but also made it seem like it might be someone familiar. They said they haven’t been brought into the MCU movie-verse, but never said anything about tv. Anyone think Wilson Fisk is involved, or at least working through Vanessa. I’m only thinking this because of the stolen art and her involvement with art when she met Wilson in DareDevil. I wouldn’t mind seeing them also maybe try and get a Red Hulk series. No reason for it at the moment but be cool to see. The only other character I can think of maybe being introduced is Norman Osborne. Didn’t he make himself into a giant green goblin via an experimental vial of some sort? Plus he would be the perfect buyer of the old downtown Avengers Tower, and start up the Dark Avengers (I think that’s what he did) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I've been thinking about how they could make a Thunderbolts team work in the MCU... they just have to stop killing all of the damn villains. I think Ghost from Ant Man and The Wasp is still alive. Her, John Walker, Taskmaster, Abomination (He's still around some where right?) and you have the beginnings of a team. True. Black Widow used that face masking tech in Winter Soldier, so you could get cute that way, too. Would be hard to keep the casting a secret though. I dunno that any of the villains left have enough heat to make the reveal really punchy. It being called The Thunderbolts would be a big tell, too. Maybe they’d do something really wild like make a Force Works movie but at the end reveal that it was made up of Doctor Doom, Magneto, and Kraven the Hunter or some shit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: I've been thinking about how they could make a Thunderbolts team work in the MCU... they just have to stop killing all of the damn villains. I think Ghost from Ant Man and The Wasp is still alive. Her, John Walker, Taskmaster, Abomination (He's still around some where right?) and you have the beginnings of a team. Abomination is coming back, along with Tim Roth reprising the role in the She-Hulk series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, silentbob said: Abomination is coming back, along with Tim Roth reprising the role in the She-Hulk series I would think Tim Blake Nelson would be coming back too... they set him up to become The Leader in that movie. Be interesting if they could establish that he;s been behind the scenes all of these years building a criminal Empire. I always thought The Leader was under utilized in the comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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