CitizenVectron Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Wtf guys. Just increase it all at once. Still good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Wtf guys. Just increase it all at once. That would be incredibly rough for small businesses. Gradual is better. What kills me is we should have gradual increases to go beyond $15 as time goes on, but nobody will fight for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Wtf guys. Just increase it all at once. Every state-level implementation of this I'm aware of has been a phase-in. It makes sense to do it that way to avoid one big sudden spike in labor costs for smaller employers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, Joe said: That would be incredibly rough for small businesses. Gradual is better. What kills me is we should have gradual increases to go beyond $15 as time goes on, but nobody will fight for this. Just now, Jason said: Every state-level implementation of this I'm aware of has been a phase-in. It makes sense to do it that way to avoid one big sudden spike in labor costs for smaller employers. Yeah, makes sense I guess. But I agree, it should continue to increase with inflation every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This needs to be more forward thinking. By 2025 it should be even higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Wtf guys. Just increase it all at once. Still good news. All at once would be devastating to a lot of businesses and jobs. It absolutely has to be gradual, especially since it would be more than doubling the minimum wage in some states (ie: NJ minimum wage is $12/hour, PA is $7.25). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jason said: Every state-level implementation of this I'm aware of has been a phase-in. It makes sense to do it that way to avoid one big sudden spike in labor costs for smaller employers. Going from $5/hour to $10/hour tipped minimum wage in a few short years was the biggest bitch ever in NYC. The problem is now that it's $10, it won't be increased again until $10 becomes a joke wage, and they will double it again in a few years. Such a dumb fucking system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: This needs to be more forward thinking. By 2025 it should be even higher. 2025 is only 48 months from now. My larger concern would be the GOP retaking the federal government by then and nixing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Slowly phasing in over the course of five years? Man, these libs are so totally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Target and Amazon both start new hires at $15/hr. Most of us still work multiple jobs. $15/hr is a joke. Right when you walk into my warehouse there is a sign that says "great news! the 60 hour per week cap has been extended until January 31st" It is Infuriating. None of us want to work 6 10 hours days per week. Most of us have to, and it's gross and exploitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Joe said: Going from $5/hour to $10/hour tipped minimum wage in a few short years was the biggest bitch ever in NYC. The problem is now that it's $10, it won't be increased again until $10 becomes a joke wage, and they will double it again in a few years. Such a dumb fucking system. This is the biggest problem, need a plan to keep it increasing perpetually, but phased increase is by far the best solution, it even helps employees as they can use planned increases to fight for higher wages I know we used NYs minimum wage increases during our union negotiations, and the rage when their coffee/burger whatever increases by like a dollar over night compared to 20 cents a year is something youc an't over look, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Wtf guys. Just increase it all at once. Still good news. That would cause small businesses even more financial stress than they are under currently. EDIT: This is a gift to big business - who can readily swallow the increased labor costs without changing their pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: That would cause small businesses even more financial stress than they are under currently. Agreed but something has to be done for the people in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Honestly, any big corporation should be forced to immediately increase to $15. Large chain grocery stores can fucking afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 44 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: 2025 is only 48 months from now. My larger concern would be the GOP retaking the federal government by then and nixing this. yeah, but in many areas $15 is barely a livable wage now by 2025 they won’t be as worse off as they are now, but we can still do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: yeah, but in many areas $15 is barely a livable wage now by 2025 they won’t be as worse off as they are now, but we can still do better. You'll probably see state/city action continue to happen before national. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 California has slowly been upping minimum wage each year so this sounds normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 A lot of "we should raise it gradually because of the shock to small businesses" talk here without any data to back it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: A lot of "we should raise it gradually because of the shock to small businesses" talk here without any data to back it up This is of course going to be the talking point of the left instead of working to make increases continue beyond 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: A lot of "we should raise it gradually because of the shock to small businesses" talk here without any data to back it up Small businesses typically run lean, most would have to do their price hikes before the changes went into effect simply so they could afford doubling their payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe said: This is of course going to be the talking point of the left instead of working to make increases continue beyond 2025. There's 0 guarantee the min wage makes it to $15 if the gop takes control of government. Better to bake in your wins now, and dare them to take the wins away like the ACA. Having an in place $15 wage beats the shit out of an abstract "in three more years it will be $15 from the $12 it is now!" Cutting wages is far, far, far harder than freezing them in place (which is a slow cut anyway) 6 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Small businesses typically run lean, most would have to do their price hikes before the changes went into effect simply so they could afford doubling their payroll. Prices are always going up. labor going up in reaction to government mandate is no different than wages going up due to market conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: There's 0 guarantee the min wage makes it to $15 if the gop takes control of government. Better to bake in your wins now, and dare them to take the wins away like the ACA. Having an in place $15 wage beats the shit out of an abstract "in three more years it will be $15 from the $12 it is now!" Prices are always going up. labor going up in reaction to government mandate is no different than wages going up due to market conditions The GOP is good at obstructing, but bad at repealing shit. Let them try to block a min wage increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Imagine having a small business in Georgia and having your minimum wage go from $5.15 to $15 overnight. Just bonkers that anyone thinks that would be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 It's easier to block future wage increases, using the language they're already using to fight the current wage increase, than to actively peel back a concrete win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, Joe said: Imagine having a small business in Georgia and having your minimum wage go from $5.15 to $15 overnight. Just bonkers that anyone thinks that would be ok. Good thing they're not paying 5.15 then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 And I'm sorry but if your business requires you pay someone minimum wage to the point that you have to close shop rather than pay higher wages, maybe your business isn't as valuable as you think. Sorry but folks gotta eat and live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Good thing they're not paying 5.15 then Um, yes some are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And I'm sorry but if your business requires you pay someone minimum wage to the point that you have to close shop rather than pay higher wages, maybe your business isn't as valuable as you think. Sorry but folks gotta eat and live b_m is pro big business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe said: Um, yes some are. So the ones that aren't currently covered by the flsa, and therefore not subject to the current federal minimum wage, will be under new law? 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: b_m is pro big business. Break up big business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So the ones that aren't currently covered by the flsa, and therefore not subject to the current federal minimum wage, will be under new law? Break up big business Yes, that was the correct counter to what I said, not what you first said. Good that you googled it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, Joe said: Yes, that was the correct counter to what I said, not what you first said. Good that you googled it, though. Also, maybe arguing that no businesses should be exempt from paying the federal minimum wage would be a wiser avenue than pointlessly whining about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Also, maybe arguing that no businesses should be exempt from paying the federal minimum wage would be a wiser avenue than pointlessly whining about this? Or realize that the threshold for applicability to the flsa is quite low and covers damn near every business out there so it's a needless and pointless point to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Bernie can, believe it or not, be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Bernie can, believe it or not, be wrong He has been every time he thought he could win the Dem primary ayylmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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