Fizzzzle Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, legend said: Most things are already rigged in the GOP's favor so of course it's in their interest to obstruct change. Since they're so bad at governing, it also always gives them the convenient scape goat of "Well we couldn't get things done because of the damn democrats" (even when that's not true) and no one has any reason to hold their feet to the fire. Fucking get rid of it and let people be held accountable for their policies, good or bad. We're only going to make progress by actually trying things. Let the people in government do their fucking job, and stop giving them excuses for why they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Lots of people are comfortable with Republicans being elected because they trust the democrats to keep them from doing anything really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 7:12 AM, Reputator said: I mean, it sounds good now. Nuke it, spend the next two years revolutionizing the US on multiple fronts. But then you get to watch as the Democrats lose just a couple seats and everything they've accomplished is torn apart, and should there be a GOP President, nothing would stop them from creating the children-caging, impoverished, sick-and-dying privatized fascist theocratic dystopia that they've always dreamed of. Then that’ll be the will of the people who elected those leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, Comet said: Then that’ll be the will of the people who elected those leaders. Exactly. Also, I think people are over-estimating the will of Republican leadership to actually do a lot of things they campaign on. Will some bad things be done? Yes. But those bad things also happen in other western nations when conservatives win. The difference? Other western nations do more fucking progressive shit in an average 4 years than the US does in 40. Give the good guys a chance to do good things, and then fight the bad guys when they try to undo it. Most of the time, the bad guys undoing shit is unpopular, and it forces them to find new issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 @CastlevaniaNut18 The left have finally discovered Sinema lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Best reading of her statement is that she is open to reform but not abolishing it. Half assed but ok if true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Doesn't the US Senate also technically have a super-arcane rule that allows a single Senator to hold up all business forever if they want, regardless of filibuster? I remember it being mentioned a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 38 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Doesn't the US Senate also technically have a super-arcane rule that allows a single Senator to hold up all business forever if they want, regardless of filibuster? I remember it being mentioned a few months ago. Senate hold - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 The Senate is so stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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osxmatt Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Joe Manchin doesn't have shit for power as the 50th Senator with the filibuster. Just with judicial nominees and potential reconciliation. But he's really just 50+1 in a sea of 60. If the filibuster was eliminated, he would hold *massive* power. He's an idiot for not realizing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 If he goes to the republican side he would get waxed in the primary unless he goes full heel turn and gets very trumpy very quickly and loudly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 So much for that... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Abolish the Democratic Party. It’s a failed party 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This is actually Mitch caving. He got public assurances but nothing in the rules. They filibuster again and we're back to square one on abolishment/reform talk (reform most likely) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Lol you can take that "precedent" along with the "Biden rule" and get fucked, Mitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This enables Mitch to save face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 IMO if Mitch goes full obstruct mode these hold out dems will be persuaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: IMO if Mitch goes full obstruct mode these hold out these dems will be persuaded. Yep. We're relearning known lessons, which don't get me wrong is annoying and sucks, but his objective here was to break the democratic caucus which he didn't do. These two Dems (manchin and sinema) haven't changed their positions. But what happens when the great Arizona solar array and the West Virginia money from helicopters (or whatever) riders are on must pass bills that have 50 Dem votes by 0 Republicans? What happens when it happens for the 25th time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: So much for that... Next time it's 50-50 with a Republican administration. "Look, elections have consequences. You can't say the Democrat Party wouldn't be doing the same thing if the roles will reversed. We'll proceed with Republican chairs and a Republican senate leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 FUCK JUST FUCKING LEGISLATE, THAT'S YOUR JOB. I DON'T EVEN CARE IF YOU'RE BAD AT IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 What does all this mean? Are we still fucked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: What does all this mean? Are we still fucked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I just hate how opposition to getting rid of the filibuster relies on "what happens when republicans get into power again?" GOOD. If people voted for republicans, that means you weren't doing your fucking jobs. The will of the people should be heard, even if it sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Fuke the nillibuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Uaarkson said: What does all this mean? Are we still fucked? Nuking the fillibuster continues to be a pipe dream. But as others have pointed out, should McConnell or other GOP members continue to obstruct everything Democrats try to do as they have in the past, they may actually jeopardize the rule. If they at least recognize that, we can get some stuff passed. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hope you had your fingers crossed, Kyrsten! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Under no circumstances for eliminating it Oops there's reform turns out you actually have to stand and speak to stop things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 She's pretty popular in Arizona, too. Probably fancies herself as the new age Arizona "maverick." Senator Rankings - Morning Consult MORNINGCONSULT.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 go for it dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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