silentbob Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 So if he wants to shoot someone on 5th avenue. He better do it soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jason said: Or he's just a white nationalist himself. He never apologized for calling for the execution of the Central Park 5 even after it was crystal clear they were innocent. I mean, yes, but Trump isn't an altruistic white nationalist. He's not fighting for any cause that isn't himself. Trump didn't know who any of these people are. Miller could be pushing for them. Miller totally has a little black book of racists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Trump agreed to pardon them because in his mind they're "tough guys", and Trump thinks of himself as a tough guy. They're spineless shits that deserve to be thrown into the deepest, darkest shit hole for the rest of their lives to rot. Absolute evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I'm sure it was a favor to his billionaire buddy Erik Prince (Betsy Devos' brother). Makes his guys look better, sends a message to the rest of his mercenaries that they have got their back. It's disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, ort said: I'm sure it was a favor to his billionaire buddy Erik Prince (Betsy Devos' brother). Makes his guys look better, sends a message to the rest of his mercenaries that they have got their back. It's disgusting. Well that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 I didn't know this stuff. The rot goes deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 LegalEagle got mad today Some of it I had never thought about it before in that way. Initially I was like "so Trump is pardoning cronies, that isn't really anything new." But then he starts talking about how what Trump is doing might be opening the door for pardoning people for political assassinations, or just using the presidency to further his own agenda and then pardoning everyone who worked for him. I don't think it's as bad as he's saying, but it is worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 The pardon needs reform for at least needing affirmation by congress, if not abolishing it completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The pardon needs reform for at least needing affirmation by congress, if not abolishing it completely I don't necessarily agree with affirmation by congress, as I think that introduces even more quid pro quo into the system. I also don't know if I agree with abolishing it completely. A bunch of people are serving time in federal prison that shouldn't be there, or are serving sentences that are entirely too long, and presidential pardons may be the best way of helping them. It's easy to say a president can't pardon his alleged friends or co-conspirators, but how do you define that? Who decides? the Senate? I think the last 20 years of the Senate has made me sour on them deciding fucking what I eat for lunch, let alone who gets pardoned for federal crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: I don't necessarily agree with affirmation by congress, as I think that introduces even more quid pro quo into the system. I also don't know if I agree with abolishing it completely. A bunch of people are serving time in federal prison that shouldn't be there, or are serving sentences that are entirely too long, and presidential pardons may be the best way of helping them. It's easy to say a president can't pardon his alleged friends or co-conspirators, but how do you define that? Who decides? the Senate? I think the last 20 years of the Senate has made me sour on them deciding fucking what I eat for lunch, let alone who gets pardoned for federal crimes. Maybe two-thirds of each chamber to overturn a pardon instead of Congress having to explicitly agree with each and every pardon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Maybe two-thirds of each chamber to overturn a pardon instead of Congress having to explicitly agree with each and every pardon. Hell just a majority would be fine too (with a 120-day time limit or so on disapproving) But we're getting to the point of the republic where some serious reform of all institutions is needed or the whole operation is prone to collapse into straight up empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 abolish the pardon power 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 What the fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I wish I could say that I'm shocked. But I'm not. Not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 The only pardon I'm comfortable with Trump or Bales or any of these chucklefucks getting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I mean, just when I think he can't go any lower. He invents new ways to be a total piece of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 robert bales 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: abolish the pardon power ugh, that guy.. certainly gave me a more complicated day of work the next day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 gross 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: gross "What are you gonna do, impeach me?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 14 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: gross It is gross. Not as gross as pardons for child killers like Bale. Im only mildly outraged about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Trump to issue around 100 pardons and commutations Tuesday, sources say WWW.CNN.COM President Donald Trump is preparing to issue around 100 pardons and commutations on his final full day in office Tuesday, according to three people familiar with the matter, a... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uaarkson Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Longstanding DOJ process? Sounds like one of them “norms” that was just waiting to be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: How is this not just straight up bribery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: How is this not just straight up bribery Shhhhh that's not a healing question. Just let this nation heal. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: How is this not just straight up bribery What's the point of labeling it bribery if there's no penalty attached and no actual laws prohibiting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, thewhyteboar said: Shhhhh that's not a healing question. Just let this nation heal. Like hurrying up and bandaging the wound without cleaning the feces out of it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said: What's the point of labeling it bribery if there's no penalty attached and no actual laws prohibiting it? I'm of the opinion that accepting the pardon in exchange for money is in itself bribery. So yes, whatever crime they committed originally would be we pardoned, but they'd be facing bribery charges for accepting the pardon. The President would also be susceptible to the same bribery charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I'm of the opinion that accepting the pardon in exchange for money is in itself bribery. So yes, whatever crime they committed originally would be we pardoned, but they'd be facing bribery charges for accepting the pardon. But what if it becomes briberyception with a pardon of the bribery charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 20 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: How is this not just straight up bribery As I explained in the other thread, this is just "greasing the wheels", apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Trump Prepares Pardon Wave for Final Hours - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM Among those under consideration for grants of clemency are the former New York Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver and the rapper Lil Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Family pardons and self pardon tomorrow night or Wednesday morning? Place your bets! Opening up at $5. I've got $5!! Do I hear $6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Trump Prepares Pardon Wave for Final Hours - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM Among those under consideration for grants of clemency are the former New York Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver and the rapper Lil Wayne. If he doesn't pardon himself or his family my God that would be such a win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: If he doesn't pardon himself or his family my God that would be such a win Watch him forget to sign it or something dumb like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 I really, really, really, really hope a lot of people who have been counting on a pardon don't get one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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