SaysWho? Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Joe Biden says he’ll commit resources needed to win Texas for Democrats https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/01/16/joe-biden-says-hell-commit-resources-needed-to-win-texas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Massdriver said: Joe Biden says he’ll commit resources needed to win Texas for Democrats https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/01/16/joe-biden-says-hell-commit-resources-needed-to-win-texas/ What a bold thing to say, Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Bernie Sanders gives Democrats firepower with populist message Quote I have been critical of Bernie Sanders over the last four years. I have been critical of his use of the Democratic Party as a vessel for his presidential aspirations. I have been critical of his lecturing tones on issues of race. I have been critical of his behavior toward Hillary Clinton and the manner in which he speaks to reporters. No rational person would accuse me of being in the tank for Sanders. But with all of that said, Sanders deserves praise for his focus on the issue of income equality in the United States. He is the conscience that our country has so desperately needed and his message has now reverberated throughout the entire Democratic Party. Quote The income disparity in our country is the next great economic crisis. According to Emmanuel Saez, a professor at the University of California, the top 10 percent of income earners now make on average more than nine times the bottom 90 percent of income earners. Those numbers should worry anyone concerned with the type of future we leave to the next generation. A system built upon concentrated wealth among a few, and a lack of upward mobility for the masses, will undoubtedly lead to instability and political opportunism. That is what Sanders refers to when he proclaims on the campaign trail, “A nation will not survive morally or economically when so few have so much, while so many have so little.” Quote Sanders is absolutely correct on this. In the most prosperous country in the world, no one should go bankrupt because of health care costs or die because of an inability to afford proper medication. No one should go to bed hungry or suffer from malnutrition because he or she lives in a food desert and lacks access to basic nutritional resources. If we can afford to go to war, then we can afford to provide health care. If we can provide tax breaks for companies, then we can provide tax breaks for families. Our federal budgets are not just piles of paper. They show where our priorities are. As Martin Luther King declared, “There is nothing new about poverty. What is new, however, is that we have the resources to get rid of poverty.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Seems like an outlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 53 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Turns out it was a staffer's phone that was left to record the interview, and they failed to turn off the ringer. So Biden gets a pass on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jason said: It's pretty clear who Trump wants to run against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: It's pretty clear who Trump wants to run against He thinks he can win against any of them, as they all have flaws he thinks he can exploit. It's pure speculation on who he actually wants to face. He's just stirring the pot here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: It's bunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He thinks he can win against any of them, as they all have flaws he thinks he can exploit. It's pure speculation on who he actually wants to face. He's just stirring the pot here You think he REALLY doesn't see Biden as the bigger threat? That Biden doesn't appeal to a certain amount of his base? That his internal polling and analytics have told him who he has the best and worse chances against? Trump also knows that, weirdly enough, he and Bernie have a weird cross-section of support and he's speaking directly to those folks. I think the evidence has shown that he will do anything he can to damage Biden, who he sees as the bigger threat. I mean, he's getting impeached because of Biden for god's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: You think he REALLY doesn't see Biden as the bigger threat? That Biden doesn't appeal to a certain amount of his base? That his internal polling and analytics have told him who he has the best and worse chances against? Trump also knows that, weirdly enough, he and Bernie have a weird cross-section of support and he's speaking directly to those folks. I think the evidence has shown that he will do anything he can to damage Biden, who he sees as the bigger threat. I mean, he's getting impeached because of Biden for god's sake. Most likely to be the nominee isn't the same as the biggest threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Sanders with the “economic anxiety” take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Most likely to be the nominee isn't the same as the biggest threat. Not what I'm saying at all... I'm just saying who TRUMP sees as the bigger threat and I'm sure there are reasons behind that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Sanders with the “economic anxiety” take He is a bit class reductionist, but the general take that if you and your community go through hard economic times, it makes it easier for a demagogue to scapegoat a minority population isn't too far fetched. How many times do we hear that immigrants are taking our jobs? Baked in racism and white supremacy help compound the effect of these arguments, but it is partially rooted in the precarious nature of life in the US (lose your job and you and your family are out healthcare and maybe soon, your home). That said, racism is alive and well even among the wealthy in this country, and there's a dozen more reasons that Trump won that we don't need to regurgitate for the 10,000th time. 21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Not what I'm saying at all... I'm just saying who TRUMP sees as the bigger threat and I'm sure there are reasons behind that. I think we're both saying the same thing but from different angles. I can see his reasoning that because Joe is the most likely to be the nominee, he is the biggest threat, so Trump is doing everything he can to get an angle against Biden. Also equally likely is that he's doing this, or something similar, for all candidates but we only found out about it because of the whistleblower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jose said: It's bunk. Where is the evidence that the poll is manipulated? Online polls have proven themselves to be pretty good the last few years. This isn't a case of companies doing self-selected polls, it is still weighted and sampled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He is a bit class reductionist, but the general take that if you and your community go through hard economic times, it makes it easier for a demagogue to scapegoat a minority population isn't too far fetched. How many times do we hear that immigrants are taking our jobs? Baked in racism and white supremacy help compound the effect of these arguments, but it is partially rooted in the precarious nature of life in the US (lose your job and you and your family are out healthcare and maybe soon, your home). That said, racism is alive and well even among the wealthy in this country, and there's a dozen more reasons that Trump won that we don't need to regurgitate for the 10,000th time. Ehhh, I’ll just say there is a reason the black folks in the room were...not convinced of Sanders answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Ehhh, I’ll just say there is a reason the black folks in the room were...not convinced of Sanders answer And that is why he's going to get smoked on Super Tuesday hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: And that is why he's going to get smoked on Super Tuesday hard. It really depends on who is left running at this point. He won't do as well in the former Confederate states as he will in MN, CA, CO, or especially VT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Ehhh, I’ll just say there is a reason the black folks in the room were...not convinced of Sanders answer 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: And that is why he's going to get smoked on Super Tuesday hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Here's how I see things shaping up: Iowa is an ABSOLUTE, NO SHIT MUST-WIN for Warren for her to have any real shot at continuing her campaign. She needs that win to take momentum into New Hampshire. Sanders can afford an Iowa/New Hampshire split with Biden as he has more room to do well in the non-Southern Super Tuesday states, more so than Warren. If Biden wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, then that's game/set/match because he's gonna clean up in the Southern Super Tuesday states anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Here's how I see things shaping up: Iowa is an ABSOLUTE, NO SHIT MUST-WIN for Warren for her to have any real shot at continuing her campaign. She needs that win to take momentum into New Hampshire. Sanders can afford an Iowa/New Hampshire split with Biden as he has more room to do well in the non-Southern Super Tuesday states, more so than Warren. If Biden wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, then that's game/set/match because he's gonna clean up in the Southern Super Tuesday states anyway. It’s important to remember that the Dems don’t do winner take all. You can lose and still pick up a decent chunk of delegates. BUT, the momentum narrative will be strong in the media depending on who does what and where which can certainly shift the winds of popular support and fundraising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 What happens if Pete wins Iowa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What happens if Pete wins Iowa? That makes things quite interesting, but doesn't really change Warren's dynamic that I mentioned: Iowa REALLY is a must-win for her. Not sure how that impacts Sanders though. I don't think it impacts Biden all that much because of his strength in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday South. Biden simply has a FAR larger margin of error than the other candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Pete winning Iowa would mean Warren is done as sflufan said. I think it makes the race a bit more wide open and longer winded. Biden and Sanders do not need Iowa to compete, but Warren does, so I think it increases the chance of a contested convention a bit, but in the end Biden will still probably take the nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Jason said: I think what Trump is really doing is just using the devotion and adoration from Bernie supporters to further divide Democrats. If he can have a hand in supporting the narrative that Bernie is being treated unfairly by the elites in the party, it makes it more likely that Bernie supporters will not vote when Biden is the nominee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Which option means brokered convention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Again, I think there is some errant thinking going on because the presumption is that a candidate will hit 50%+1 before the convention and that’s actually not particularly likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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