GeneticBlueprint Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: True. I was too young at the time to know much about the 2000 election, but looking back it seems like the general perception was that Bush was a reasonable, moderate Republican compared to how he turned out (pre-9/11, obviously). I mean obviously he was going to do the normal evil republican bullshit like take money from the poor and give to the rich. They branded it "compassionate conservatism". Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 His brain is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Warren and Sanders right now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 He's only off by a decade and probably a lot closer than the average person would guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Dodger said: He's only off by a decade and probably a lot closer than the average person would guess Yeah, I'm gonna give him a mulligan on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, thewhyteboar said: Warren and Sanders right now: xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 Obama's former senior adviser chimed in on this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Dodger said: The last two times Democrats tried the "anybody but the horrible evil Republican" and threw out an uninspiring candidate they lost. So yes, they do need someone likeable and can't just sit back and hope everyone is fed up with Trump. The truth is that incumbents rarely lose unless there’s a recession under their watch. The Dems’ odds don’t look great regardless of what they do. But Closing the enthusiasm gap is key. That’s why, the more I reflect on it, the more I think This cycle is one instance where a left-wing firebrand who riles up the base (but eschews the socialist label and thus needless Cold War baggage), like Warren, might actually be more competitive in a general election than a milquetoast establishment centrist like Biden. But the people who think the odds are against Trump need to take a cold, hard look into the annals of electoral history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: In general it’s a bad idea to attach your emotional well-being to an election. Unless you’re in the military, Or are a farmer, an immigrant (especially Mexican), have serious health issues for family with them, work in health care with patients (e.g., CNut), are poor, etc. Personally, I'm in a pretty good place where like you this stuff isn't going to have a direct negative effect on my life. But this shit fucking matters in a direct way for a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: The truth is that incumbents rarely lose unless there’s a recession under their watch While generally true in the post WWII era, there's not enough data to definitively state this as fact for presidential elections. There is power in incumbency, but this truism just isn't that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 Julian Castro qualifies for the September debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Julian Castro qualifies for the September debate. That's good. He's not going to win, but I really like what he has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Good stuff here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Good stuff here To put this in perspective, after the low unions experienced during the Great Recession, their image has rebounded: Much of this comes from Democrats: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 it's gonna be sweet when booker is still in the senate 30 years from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: 6/10 is embarrassingly low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 What was the rumor...? And why's she drawing attention to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: What was the rumor...? And why's she drawing attention to it? I'm gonna guess the one that Haley would replace Pence on the 2020 ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm gonna guess the one that Haley would replace Pence on the 2020 ticket Not Pence Haley 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: Not Pence Haley 2020? Would Mother approve of Pence spending alone time with Haley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: The truth is that incumbents rarely lose unless there’s a recession under their watch. The Dems’ odds don’t look great regardless of what they do. But Closing the enthusiasm gap is key. That’s why, the more I reflect on it, the more I think This cycle is one instance where a left-wing firebrand who riles up the base (but eschews the socialist label and thus needless Cold War baggage), like Warren, might actually be more competitive in a general election than a milquetoast establishment centrist like Biden. But the people who think the odds are against Trump need to take a cold, hard look into the annals of electoral history. So...we're fucked, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: So...we're fucked, then. Hes working off an old playbook, they also all had approval ratings at or above 50% when re-elected, i'm not even confident the economy going into the tank would drop him more than a few points in approval anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Hes working off an old playbook, they also all had approval ratings at or above 50% when re-elected, i'm not even confident the economy going into the tank would drop him more than a few points in approval anyways. It would depress Republican turnout, I'd imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Hes working off an old playbook, they also all had approval ratings at or above 50% when re-elected, i'm not even confident the economy going into the tank would drop him more than a few points in approval anyways. That doesn't fill me with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Too bad. All of his policies were great he just couldn't get any traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricofoley Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The candidate running exclusively on climate change drops out on the same day we learn the full extent to which the amazon is being utterly razed to the ground https://www.npr.org/2019/08/21/753140642/tens-of-thousands-of-fires-ravage-brazilian-amazon-where-deforestation-has-spike [existential dread intensifies] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: The candidate running exclusively on climate change drops out on the same day we learn the full extent to which the amazon is being utterly razed to the ground https://www.npr.org/2019/08/21/753140642/tens-of-thousands-of-fires-ravage-brazilian-amazon-where-deforestation-has-spike [existential dread intensifies] Don't forget the lingering dread that comes from a presidential tirade against fuel efficiency standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The Washington Post lying to hurt Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The nominee should adopt Inslee's climate plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Make him head of epa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, stepee said: Make him head of epa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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