thewhyteboar Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: We don't need a wealth tax. We need a guillotine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Bloomberg takes more shots at Trump as he inches toward 2020 run Quote Bloomberg, who has made fighting global warming and the gun lobby central tenets of his political identity, made the case at Anselm College that climate change poses one of the biggest challenges to the planet, from increasing the risks from hurricanes and wildfires to killing iconic wildlife. Quote “To me, the government shutdown was an utter failure of executive leadership, and it's an example of just totally incompetent management that needlessly hurt millions of people,” Bloomberg said. “I’m glad the shutdown is over for now, but the American people will continue paying a steep cost for the White’s House incompetence,” he continued, “because the president is fixated on a wall we don’t need instead of the real challenges we face: Creating good paying jobs; making health insurance more affordable; stopping the opioid crisis that is tearing so many families and communities apart; improving our public schools and making college more affordable; investing in our infrastructure; and the list goes on and on.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 So we're going to have two "centrist" independent billionaires running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, CitizenVectron said: So we're going to have two "centrist" independent billionaires running? I thought if Bloomberg runs he's running as a Democrat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So we're going to have two "centrist" independent billionaires running? 8 minutes ago, Jason said: I thought if Bloomberg runs he's running as a Democrat? He is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 olo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 triggered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jason said: olo the rich are finally seeing the guillotines being sharpened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: olo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, Jason said: I guess going after progressive ideas and Social Security/Medicare is a great way to siphon Democrats? I mean, I guess we don't know if he'd play a spoiler role anyway (for all we know, the election won't be close either way), and I guess it's possible he can take more from the Dems, but I don't get why people already think that he'll cost Democrats the election (and I'm including non-Democrats in the people saying this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Schultz is a few criticisms away from going full reactionary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I used to not like Krugman for some reason. But this thread I felt needed to be posted in full to counter my knee jerk response to Schultz entering the fray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Someone called him an egotistical asshole while he was at some book event, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 The desperation and floundering of the rich really is showing in this election cycle. Good. Let them drown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Howard “American identity means cutting my taxes and all social services” Shultz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 He’ll pull anti-trump Republicans .. and with elective participation I can see why this might make some nervous .. but I don’t think those people could be relied on to vote dem anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Anathema- said: He’ll pull anti-trump Republicans .. and with elective participation I can see why this might make some nervous .. but I don’t think those people could be relied on to vote dem anyway. I thought this was interesting/relevant. Crazy how close the support/oppose numbers are if you put the shoe on the other foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz reportedly was Hillary Clinton’s pick for Labor secretary olol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I thought this was interesting/relevant. Crazy how close the support/oppose numbers are if you put the shoe on the other foot Close is relative though .. 56:44 in an election is not per se close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: Close is relative though .. 56:44 in an election is not per se close. Agreed. Similarly, intensity of disapproval is very important to note, so I appreciated that distinction at least. The people who disapprove of Trump really disapprove of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Doing the lords work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: I guess going after progressive ideas and Social Security/Medicare is a great way to siphon Democrats? I mean, I guess we don't know if he'd play a spoiler role anyway (for all we know, the election won't be close either way), and I guess it's possible he can take more from the Dems, but I don't get why people already think that he'll cost Democrats the election (and I'm including non-Democrats in the people saying this). Because we've seen this movie before.. when Nader cost Gore the election and we got eight years of Bush. Some Dem strategists have run the numbers and have concluded that A Shultz run would indeed hurt the Dems and could cause Trump to get elected to a second term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Hope he's more of a Ross Perot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, 2user1cup said: Hope he's more of a Ross Perot Narrator: He's not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Because we've seen this movie before.. when Nader cost Gore the election and we got eight years of Bush. Some Dem strategists have run the numbers and have concluded that A Shultz run would indeed hurt the Dems and could cause Trump to get elected to a second term. Assuming hes going to pull from dems is silly, hes running very much on a fiscal conservative platform, and doesn't seem he will run at all anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Assuming hes going to pull from dems is silly, hes running very much on a fiscal conservative platform, and doesn't seem he will run at all anyways. Hopefully he won't run... but it's not silly at all to assume he would pull from Dems and that kind of thinking is why Dems often lose races they should otherwise win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Hopefully he won't run... but it's not silly at all to assume he would pull from Dems and that kind of thinking is why Dems often lose races they should otherwise win. You're trying to compare him to Nader, but hes nothing like Nader, who ran to the left of Gore, all but ensuring anyone who voted for him would have voted for Gore otherwise, Schultz is running to the right of every dem, even Bloomberg. Polling on targeting SS and Medicare is in the single digits for support, which so far is like the only policy hes put out there, that and wrongly saying most americans don't support taxing the wealthy. It just annoys me they keep calling him a centrist which apparently means hes not going to ban gays, put kids in a cage, and call people names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Because we've seen this movie before.. when Nader cost Gore the election and we got eight years of Bush. Some Dem strategists have run the numbers and have concluded that A Shultz run would indeed hurt the Dems and could cause Trump to get elected to a second term. Yeah, but in Nader's case, he could make a case that he's a progressive and not a corporate Democrat. Ideologically, he's completely different from Nader, and someone like Perot, who ran on opposition to NAFTA but with a socially liberal bend as well, was shown ultimately to not be a spoiler and attracted people from both parties (which makes sense since opposition to NAFTA attracts progressives and conservatives like Trump). Is there actually an article that says Dem strategists did polling on this? I was under the assumption that people were just freaking out prematurely, but if they ran numbers, then that's really surprising to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Ya know... Didn't he just have a book come out? What's the odds he's just another grifter out there to sell books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Ya know... Didn't he just have a book come out? What's the odds he's just another grifter out there to sell books? Yes, his book was just released, so that is an entirely plausible suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Yes, his book was just released, so that is an entirely plausible suggestion. I’ve never understood why billionaires write books especially the boring ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: "For years, Gabbard has been regarded as a rising star in the Democratic Party, and supporters hoped she could use a presidential bid to pressure party elites toward a non-interventionist foreign policy. But her early campaign stumbles and problems back home—where at times she’s had sky-high approval ratings—call into question whether the Hawaii lawmaker can compete on the national stage." Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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