osxmatt Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Doesn’t PR already have Senators? They just don’t have voting privileges. If they became a state I would assume there existing Senators would just get all rights and privileges and they would continue their term. I would have to do a Google search to confirm, but I believe PR has a non voting representative in the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jason said: wat @Spawn_of_Apathy Not quite. They have a single, nonvoting member in the House. There are "state" senators like any other real state, but they just vote on island-wide issues. The current seat is held by a Republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, osxmatt said: I would have to do a Google search to confirm, but I believe PR has a non voting representative in the House. Yeah, I think that is where the confusion is coming from. They have a Rep, not Senators. And that Rep can't even vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Yeah, I think that is where the confusion is coming from. They have a Rep, not Senators. And that Rep can't even vote. yeah that sounds right. I knew they could t vote, but 8 couldn’t remember if it was house or senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Doesn’t PR already have Senators? They just don’t have voting privileges. If they became a state I would assume there existing Senators would just get all rights and privileges and they would continue their term. Puerto Rico does not have senators within the Federal government. I think you are confusing it with its own territorial senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJvt8s1E/ 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uaarkson Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Moving to America makes you retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: Moving to America makes you retarded It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life. Yes, but they should follow the rules, or something. Belief doesn't require logic. Haven't we established that by now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BloodyHell said: Yes, but they should follow the rules, or something. Belief doesn't require logic. Haven't we established that by now? As a son of Pakistani immigrants who has a decent number of immigrant friends my age as a result, it's so very true. They don't even understand the issue. Their resentment over their own difficult process to get a greencard or citizenship the "slow, right way" makes them hate anyone who does it faster, or through loophole means. I have one dumb Pakistani immigrant friend who actually liked Trump closing the "loophole" on marrying and giving birth in the country or some such. He truly believed immigrants don't show up for their court dates and that coyotes were just playing red light, green light at the border. I explained to him, and showed him DOJ data, that most immigrants do in fact show up to their court hearings, and that immigrants are showing up at legal political asylum checkpoints requesting political asylum, not running like a lunatic over the border. And that they are requesting political asylum often because their lives where they are coming from are threatened by gang or governmental violence or death. This friend of a friend just looked annoyed and frustrated, but he shut up. I do not get this immigrant resentment thing. My own wife even has it a little bit until I explained things to her thoroughly. You'd think they'd be more empathetic? I don't get irritated when others are able to do something easier or quicker than I did if I know they are suffering/need it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Dude this is crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t. me: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t. me: Yup. They'll get "them" first but you're next you stupid tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” we learn nothing from history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Greatoneshere said: It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life. Seeing that crap is soooo frustrating... those who thumb their nose at fellow “immigrants”... immigrate is what they do but for many 70s, 80, early 90s Central Americans the applicable term would be “refugee”.. I myself would not be in this country if policies and actions the US took during those years didnt destabilize the region.... It is that slight difference that has always created friction between Mexicans and folks from Central America.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t. me: Leopards. Faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I could actually understand someone being against mass immigration on purely economic, pro-labor grounds. You could argue there's some evidence that it depresses wages, and thus hurts labor (but helps capital by lowering its labor costs). It's not a settled question, so it's a legitimate debate, and there are legitimate arguments to be made. But I can count on one hand the number of people I've met who are actually against it solely on these grounds, and not just using economic arguments to rationalize or justify the harboring of some kind of ethnocultural animosity. That's Trump in a nutshell. The economic argument for clamping down on illegal immigration to help blue-collar workers has always been a mere justification for him to normalize his racist and xenophobic rhetoric. Which others have used as a basis to normalize their own. It's almost like he's their nationalist excuse to not have to worry about openly expressing racial and ethnic resentment, something which had come to be more stringently stigmatized--on both the conventional right and conventional left--via the inter-nationalism of the US's post-Cold War era globalization. Another reason why, I think, the alt-right's avatar of evil is 'globalism'. The alt-righties want to be able to say, "I'm not racist, I'm just anti-globalist", hoping no one notices how racial and ethnic tolerance and anti-racist discourse gets coded as 'globalist'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: I could actually understand someone being against mass immigration on purely economic, pro-labor grounds. You could argue there's some evidence that it depresses wages, and thus hurts labor (but helps capital by lowering its labor costs). It's not a settled question, so it's a legitimate debate, and there are legitimate arguments to be made. But I can count on one hand the number of people I've met who are actually against it solely on these grounds, and not just using economic arguments to rationalize or justify the harboring of some kind of ethnocultural animosity. That's Trump in a nutshell. The economic argument for clamping down on illegal immigration to help blue-collar workers has always been a mere justification for him to normalize his racist and xenophobic rhetoric. Which others have used as a basis to normalize their own. It's almost like he's their nationalist excuse to not have to worry about openly expressing racial and ethnic resentment, something which had come to be more stringently stigmatized--on both the conventional right and conventional left--via the inter-nationalism of the US's post-Cold War era globalization. Another reason why, I think, the alt-right's avatar of evil is 'globalism'. The alt-righties want to be able to say, "I'm not racist, I'm just anti-globalist", hoping no one notices how racial and ethnic tolerance and anti-racist discourse gets coded as 'globalist'. Globalist is probably just code for the jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: Globalist is probably just code for the jews. Yes. The Origins of the 'Globalist' Slur - The Atlantic WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM President Trump recently used the epithet to describe his outgoing National Economic Council director—but the seeds of its disparaging use were firmly planted 75 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Joe said: Dude this is crazy! the convulsions of a dying empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” we learn nothing from history. White MAGAssholes are co-opting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said: White MAGAssholes are co-opting this. I’m sure they are. They have always made themselves out to be the victims. They so badly want to be oppressed, so they can show everyone that they’re the most oppressed. mans they’ll kill every black, Mexican, Jew, gay, and Democrat who can’t see how oppressed they are. Laws be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Noooo not my Barbara!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: the convulsions of a dying empire huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe said: huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Joe said: huh? That's not even an example of the dying empire! Let alone a good one! It's more a sign of the corrupt dealings of washington insiders in the service of capital. Do some time in public service then start cashing checks for whomever. Rinse and repeat on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Joe said: huh? Silent is some sort of CCP fetishist excited about the idea of US in decline with China on the rise. It is kinda cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: That's not even an example of the dying empire! Let alone a good one! It's more a sign of the corrupt dealings of washington insiders in the service of capital. Do some time in public service then start cashing checks for whomever. Rinse and repeat on both sides. biden would happily accept her donation if she was cashing cheques for raytheon tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Zaku3 said: Globalist is probably just code for the jews. (((Globalist))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: biden would happily accept her donation if she was cashing cheques for raytheon tho... No shit That's not a decaying/crumbling empire story tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: No shit That's not a decaying/crumbling empire story tho okay I guess you’re right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 Inside Joe Biden’s plan to avoid a midterm ‘shellacking’ - POLITICO WWW.POLITICO.COM Presidents traditionally get pummeled in the off years. Especially those in their first term. But Team Biden has a plan. And some Dems are cautiously optimistic. Quote In preparation for the 2022 midterms, the president-elect is fusing his political operation with the Democratic National Committee. He is also considering sending a top communications staffer — among those discussed are top campaign spokespeople Andrew Bates and T.J. Ducklo — to the DNC for the next several months as an embed before that person heads to the White House themselves. The idea is to help ensure the DNC is integral to the Biden operation, a source close to the campaign said in an interview. Biden is also empowering his former campaign manager, Jen O’Malley Dillon, with his political portfolio in and out of the White House. Dillon, herself a former top national party staffer, is steering DNC meetings in the run-up to the election of a new chair and officers later this month. She’s brought in an ally, Emmy Ruiz, to become Biden’s White House political director. Longtime Biden confidant and incoming senior adviser Steve Ricchetti will also advise Biden on politics. Quote Biden is also committed to pumping resources into state Democratic parties that atrophied during the Obama years, according to a Biden official, cognizant of the shortcomings of the last Democratic president’s approach. Rather than build out his own infrastructure, like Obama did, his team is in conversations with battleground state directors about the upcoming midterms and preparing to bulk up outreach to rural voters, with early conversations about having Agriculture secretary nominee Tom Vilsack serve as a possible surrogate. The strategizing comes as the Democratic Party navigates a new, unsettled landscape, with lingering questions about whether Biden intends to run for a second term. The stakes are high for the party, which must figure out how to keep a congressional majority in both houses and also contend with reapportionment in two years. No modern president has had a successful first midterm absent George W. Bush in the wake of 9/11. After Obama’s “shellacking,” Trump was pummeled during the 2018 elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 Also from the article: Quote “It’s worth underscoring, typically when a presidential campaign rolls in, they sweep the dishes off the table before setting up the new places,” said Wikler. “With the Biden campaign, they deeply integrated with infrastructure that state parties have been building for years.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 if they get this done, that's incredibly impressive. Let's fucking do it! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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