Ricofoley Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Look at the election of 1864. The rebel states were still technically a part of the US, but they didn't send electors to the electoral college. This reduced the number of total EVs from over 300 to 234 members. If a state doesn't send electors, then the total EV count goes down, and the subsequent winning margin. Sending the election to the house only comes into play if there is a tie, or if there are more than 2 candidates and no one candidate receives a majority of the votes. This is what the 12th amendment says, Quote The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. So, yeah, you might be right in this case since those states wouldn't end up appointing electors, I dunno. It is true, though, that it doesn't specifically say it's only in the case of a tie. If a third party ever won, like, Alaska, and the vote finished 269-266-3 then the election would go to the House because nobody had 270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: I admit I don't know a lot about it (in my daily life I try to not think about Michigan). But I'd like to know more! This book is regarded as the seminal work about Detroit's "White Flight": The Origins of the Urban Crisis PRESS.PRINCETON.EDU The reasons behind Detroit’s persistent racialized poverty after World War II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Ricofoley said: This is what the 12th amendment says, So, yeah, you might be right in this case since those states wouldn't end up appointing electors, I dunno. It is true, though, that it doesn't specifically say it's only in the case of a tie. If a third party ever won, like, Alaska, and the vote finished 269-266-3 then the election would go to the House because nobody had 270. Yep. If a state doesn't send electors, it didn't appoint electors, which means they have no electoral votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This book is regarded as the seminal work about Detroit's "White Flight": The Origins of the Urban Crisis PRESS.PRINCETON.EDU The reasons behind Detroit’s persistent racialized poverty after World War II Added to the list! So I should get to it sometime around 2200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 But even if (and this is a VERY big if) the election somehow goes to the House, the Dems have a majority, so wouldn't they just declare Biden the winner anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, marioandsonic said: But even if (and this is a VERY big if) the election somehow goes to the House, the Dems have a majority, so wouldn't they just declare Biden the winner anyway? No it’s 1 state 1 vote I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Yeah, each state votes in one block for God knows what reason. GOP would be guaranteed to win unless somebody had a conscience and crossed party lines (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 You mean to say they're not trying to stop the steal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: Yeah, each state votes in one block for God knows what reason. GOP would be guaranteed to win unless somebody had a conscience and crossed party lines (lol) You'd probably need 3 red state delegations to flip and vote for Biden. Very unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hey when your party platform is "whatever the fuck Donald J. Trump wants," you have to toe the line to stay in the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 God damn it guys stop tempting me to buy and drink all of the liquor I can get my hands on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jason said: He probably shouldn't wonder why the people of Colorado decided not to send him back to DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: God damn it guys stop tempting me to buy and drink all of the liquor I can get my hands on I wouldn't worry too much. While Trump is definitely attempting a coup, he's REALLY bad at the whole execution thing. Right now he has Giuliani making barely coherent arguments in court on his behalf. I don't mean that in a partisan way. He was, literally, incoherent at times. As of right now, it doesn't seem there's enough wiggle room for Trump to outright steal the election. It looks like Biden won by the bare minimum he needed to in order to prevent that from happening. That said, you should totally be aware of a future not idiot Republican will likely be successful in pulling off this stunt. We just aren't there yet, so it's not something really worth sending every liquor store owner in your area into early retirement over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: If you're a white person from the greater Detroit area, you're racist until proven otherwise. Met a lot of people there, and have a lot of in-laws there, I stand 100% with this comment. @Ominous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: I'd be willing to get shot in the head for free health care. I mean we already saw secret police throwing people into minivans, so we might as well throw in the free healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Chollowa said: I mean we already saw secret police throwing people into minivans, so we might as well throw in the free healthcare. Imagine if they kidnapped us to give us a checkup and a mental health wellness exam! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: This somehow popped up when searching 'zero' Because that character's name is "Zero Two" @SaysWho? Damn someone already pointed it out. Carry on then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, vaxick said: Democrats need to do more of this. Republicans are incapable of shame, but call out their racist bullshit and lies every time you encounter it. Shine a light on their iniquity and lay bare their lies and hypocrisy. Show the public how worthless they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: @Ominous? I hate white people. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ominous said: I hate white people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 The Jolt: Donald Trump engineered his own defeat in Georgia, says secretary of state WWW.AJC.COM On Tuesday, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger continued his scorched-earth campaign against fellow Republicans who question his oversight of the Georgia’s election and make baseless accusations of widespread fraud. But this time, he’s aimed higher. Rather than swipe at U.S. Rep. Doug Collins and other Georgians who have targeted him, he shot back at President Donald Trump, who has labeled him a phony Republican and has encouraged his... Quote Rather than swipe at U.S. Rep. Doug Collins and other Georgians who have targeted him, he shot back at President Donald Trump, who has labeled him a phony Republican and has encouraged his supporters to pile on. On NBC’s Peacock network, Mehdi Hasan asked Raffensperger if Trump should be considered the author of his own defeat in Georgia -- because of the way he encouraged his supporters to shun absentee ballots. The secretary of state’s reply: “I believe so, because the numbers show that. There were actually 24,000 Republican voters that voted absentee in the June primary, and those same 24,000 voters did not show up to vote in either absentee or in-person on the day of [the Nov. 3] election or the 15 days of early voting we have. So they just disappeared and they were ripe for the picking, they were there in June for the primary and they should have come home and voted for President Trump in the fall. So that’s 24,000. That’s his difference right there.” Quote Brad Raffensberger had more to say to The Wall Street Journal for its Tuesday podcast. On U.S. Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who called for his resignation, citing vague allegations of mismanagement: “I’m surprised that (the Trump team) put a little bit of pressure on them, they just folded like a cheap suit, but that’s OK. You know, we move on.” Quote On his claim that U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., suggested that Raffensperger throw out legal absentee ballots: “Senator Graham implied for us to audit the envelopes -- I thought he was saying throw out the ballots in counties that had the highest frequencies of [signature mismatches]. That’s similar to that lawsuit they filed in Michigan. And so, really, my take-away from that was that Senator Graham and obviously President Trump and his attorney -- they’re all on the same page…” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Nice to see some Republican(s) finally show that they have a backbone and aren’t bowing to a deranged “king” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 they're....going for the recount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: they're....going for the recount? Partial recount. So only black people's votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Partial recount. So only black people's votes. Excuse me sweaty dane county is 85% white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Excuse me sweaty dane county is 85% white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Sweaty Dane County sounds like a magical place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Sweaty Dane County sounds like a magical place. Sounds like a porno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 Georgia's on track to finish recount today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 How Biden Won: Ramping Up The Base And Expanding Margins In The Suburbs WWW.NPR.ORG Remarkably few counties shifted in the 2020 election, which saw sky-high turnout. The president's base voted in big numbers in rural areas, but Biden's gains in the suburbs propelled him to victory. Caveat to this map: ballots are still being counted, especially in New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 Also, DO check out the interactive county comparison in the NPR link: You can look at each county to see how they shifted from 2016 (top) to 2020 (bottom). Even if the counties voted the same way, how they voted made a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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