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Jason Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Party unity would be Sanders immediately pulling out of the race and endorsing Biden and working as hard as he can to convince his supporters that this is not an election that they can sit out. Why wasn't party unity telling Biden to drop out when his campaign looked dead in the water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Why wasn't party unity telling Biden to drop out when his campaign looked dead in the water? Because the polling indicated that Biden had a reasonable shot at winning South Carolina. Biden had over a 10% chance of taking the nomination based on all the data then. Sanders had less than a 1% chance before tonight of taking it, and now he has no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 When I was on line to vote last week in Cali, what struck me was how many older people waited in that long assed line. Also all of the volunteers were seniors. I found that interesting. And in Texas, those folks stayed on line to vot for 5 hours... that's how much it means to some folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: I would buy "he doesn't even belong to the party" a lot more if they hadn't just bent over backward to let in the former Republican who was still bankrolling Republican reelection campaigns as recently as 2018. It’s a statement of fact. He isn’t a member of the party and does nothing to benefit the party. Why would they bother bowing to him again when his support has shrunk since last time? 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Why wasn't party unity telling Biden to drop out when his campaign looked dead in the water? Because one was perception and the other is reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: When I was on line to vote last week in Cali, what struck me was how many older people waited in that long assed line. Also all of the volunteers were seniors. I found that interesting. And in Texas, those folks stayed on line to vot for 5 hours... that's how much it means to some folks. Retired people have time to stand in for 5 hours. People working multiple jobs don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: So the progressives should use their influence to push him to the left... the have leverage if they demonstrate that they actually care about the issues by you know, voting. I suppose that's fair. But the ones who did show up still constitute ~30% of the party. And let's again not pretend that issues alone are the sole decider of votes. Issues be damned, if you think this person, and a person is not their policies, can win people will generally vote for that person. That said, we need to make it easier for everyone to vote. Hours long lines to vote is completely unacceptable, and this has happened more than once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 I don't mind saying that if Sanders loses bad tonight, he should drop out. I disagree, but at that point, voters are speaking pretty damn loud that they want to focus on the general election now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Why wasn't party unity telling Biden to drop out when his campaign looked dead in the water? If we would have lost South Carolina, you wouldn't have HAD to tell him to drop out, he had no more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Retired people have time to stand in for 5 hours. People working multiple jobs don't. Working people in black neighborhoods in Texas that had a ton of polling places closed and had to stand online figured it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 We are never going to have universal healthcare in this country, are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, Jose said: We are never going to have universal healthcare in this country, are we? Nope! Forever indebted to health care companies and the federal government itself, all so rich folks can pay lower taxes than you and I. To say nothing of the climate, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jose said: We are never going to have universal healthcare in this country, are we? Oh, we probably will...except it will be under the regime of an autocratic right-wing populist ghoul who was smart enough to co-opt it from the Left, because the American Left is goddamned stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Oh, we probably will...except it will be under the regime of a right-wing populist ghoul who was smart enough to co-opt it from the Left, because the American Left is goddamned stupid. Pairing it with Ecofascism to combat climate change, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Why out of all the center lane candidates did it have to be Biden? I'm glad Bloomberg wasn't it, but what about pretty much anyone else: Buttigieg, Klob, Harris, Booker, Beto, and countless others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Pairing it with Ecofascism to combat climate change, too! Which is exactly the strategy being employed by some of the new neo-fascist groups in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I really look forward to voting in my Primary next week. It’s going to feel so damn meaningful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Working people in black neighborhoods in Texas that had a ton of polling places closed and had to stand online figured it out. Okay, I like that the solution here is to blame the people getting screwed by their voting officials for being lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Which is exactly the strategy being employed by some of the new neo-fascist groups in Europe. The NZ shooter too. People keep saying "10 more years, 10 more years" without thinking critically what will happen in 10 years. Once the right finds their Bismark, they're gonna be unstoppable and it will be even worse for nontraditional women, poc, and the TQ communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jose said: We are never going to have universal healthcare in this country, are we? A public option with a requirement to have health insurance would result in universal healthcare. It just wouldn't be single payer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: A public option with a requirement to have health insurance would result in universal healthcare. It just wouldn't be single payer. Never going to happen with this nominee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: A public option with a requirement to have health insurance would result in universal healthcare. It just wouldn't be single payer. You get that outcome by having it be the compromise from pushing for single payer. Not by preemptively surrendering by offering what you think is "realistic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: A public option with a requirement to have health insurance would result in universal healthcare. It just wouldn't be single payer. Anyone who thinks this is a great idea should really look what happens to your insurance premiums and or deductible next year after an unexpected high mortality, high medical care issue comes up like, say, a global pandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: A public option with a requirement to have health insurance would result in universal healthcare. It just wouldn't be single payer. Assuming the public option is actually affordable and usable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Also completely lol if you think the insurance companies would allow a public option. I've already heard the ads: it's a difference without a distinction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Also completely lol if you think the insurance companies would allow a public option. Biden will do as he's told on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Also completely lol if you think the insurance companies would allow a public option. You have brain worms if you think the insurance companies would allow single payer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Also completely lol if you think the insurance companies would allow a public option. Already seeing ads saying the public option is the same thing as Medicare for All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, mclumber1 said: You have brain worms if you think the insurance companies would allow single payer. Correct. Which is why we need politicians like Sanders that won't bow to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: You have brain worms if you think the insurance companies would allow single payer. And you have brain worms if you think Biden will give us a public option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, mclumber1 said: You have brain worms if you think the insurance companies would allow single payer. The difference being a Sanders would be willing to primary democrats who go against his policy, Biden won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, GeneticBlueprint said: Correct. Which is why we need politicians like Sanders that won't bow to them. So after either Sanders dies in office from a massive heart attack, or is voted out in 2024, we'll have the exact same healthcare system we have now? Or perhaps even worse because there is no room for compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, Jose said: And you have brain worms if you think Biden will give us a public option. We get what ever Congress puts on the President's desk. Biden at least has the advantage of having connections in Congress. Sanders is that emo kid in the corner that isn't in anybody's click. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: You have brain worms if you think the insurance companies would allow single payer. 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Already seeing ads saying the public option is the same thing as Medicare for All. Added an edit that is the same as jwheel: it's a distinction without a difference to these people, so why compromise and accept a shitty substitute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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