Ghost_MH Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 55 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Oh yeah because socialized food works so well in Venezuela! Bring back the bread lines why you're at it? Hey everybody, this guys a commie! Hey, I grew up on government cheese. Nothing like getting a big, ol' log of yellow cheese stuffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 The more I see things like this and Trump’s own desire to run against Sanders the more I hope it happens and Sanders wins. I love people being hoisted by their own petard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Trump also just said (in a tweet reply) that he wants Pete to win the nomination. If anyone actually takes what Trump wants seriously (beyond wanting it for the sake of spite, which is obviously funny) and as some sort of argument for validity...then they are probably dumb. Trump doesn't know who will be good or bad against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Cohn has an interesting tweet thread on how to approach South Carolina heading into the actual vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 For Biden, the measure of success isn't winning SC, but by how much he wins it. That will determine his (significantly diminished) viability going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 If he wins by 5%, that is not good. By 15 or 20? That's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: If he wins by 5%, that is not good. By 15 or 20? That's good. Correct! He has to totally blow out Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 He's the Jewish MLK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 @baconbits really wants Warren to link to an article proving this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, sblfilms said: @baconbits really wants Warren to link to an article proving this point 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 hours ago, baconbits said: Glad he said this. Wish a formal endorsement would happen tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Doesn't exactly sounds like he's asking them, in a different system where they vote in the first round, to usurp the will of the people but go off queen, win that strong 4th place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Because her being in 4th place has to do with anything. Bernie is a hypocrite, just like the rest of them. He should really do away with the holier than thou attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Bloomberg volunteers are getting paid $2500 to tell others to support other candidates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Data post-debate: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: Bloomberg volunteers are getting paid $2500 to tell others to support other candidates. This relates to one of my biggest TV trope peeves: When a character refuses to take an evil person's money after-the-fact for working with them. A good example is Lisa Simpson when she and Mr Burns make the fish slurry plant. He offers her $10 million, I think, and she refuses on the grounds that it would be her justifying his actions. In reality, the better thing to do with the money would be to take it and then use it against the evil person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Jose said: Because her being in 4th place has to do with anything. Bernie is a hypocrite, just like the rest of them. He should really do away with the holier than thou attitude. Under a different system where they could vote on the first ballot, he was asking supers to follow the vote in their respective states, like all other delegates, rather than doing their own thing. So in 2016, he advocated MS super delegates go to Hillary, CO super delegates should go to him, etc. The super delegate system in 2016 was undemocratic, but his appeals were democratic in nature (not that there isn't a valid opposing argument in that the supers should follow the national popular vote winner). It's more democratic now, the rules have changed, and super delegates still should not exist, so you can't necessarily make the same arguments. How this relates to Warren is that she is positioning herself as the answer to a problem she is instrumental in creating. If she was as committed to her progressive agenda as she claims, she'd drop out and endorse Bernie (who is the #1 choice of far more democrats, in polling and in actual votes). If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd like to say I'd be advocating Bernie to drop and endorse Warren (for instance if his popularity didn't recover from the heart attack and Warren was leading the polls) but I can't say that and have anyone actually believe me. *shrug* But the fact of the matter is if it goes to a contested convention, Biden or bloomy stand to win, not Warren no matter her posturing. Don't forget the establishment only kinda likes Warren because Bernie is running too. If he was not, she'd be given the same treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Under a different system where they could vote on the first ballot, he was asking supers to follow the vote in their respective states, like all other delegates, rather than doing their own thing. So in 2016, he advocated MS super delegates go to Hillary, CO super delegates should go to him, etc. The super delegate system in 2016 was undemocratic, but his appeals were democratic in nature (not that there isn't a valid opposing argument in that the supers should follow the national popular vote winner). Watch the Washington Post video linked above if you think that’s all he was arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 He was clearly arguing for the superdelegates to vote for him because of "momentum" and regardless of plurality. He's allowed to make that argument in 2016 because those were the rules. Problem is that he's transparently biased and trying to pretend it's a moral stance. It's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Watch the Washington Post video linked above if you think that’s all he was arguing. I think it's fair to say he was inconsistent on this, I didn't watch the video prior to your post here. Not a good look for Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: He was clearly arguing for the superdelegates to vote for him because of "momentum" and regardless of plurality. He's allowed to make that argument in 2016 because those were the rules. Problem is that he's transparently biased and trying to pretend it's a moral stance. It's a joke. Isn't this exactly what super delegates did in 08? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Are you even following the conversation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 These people should not have an outsized influence on selecting the nominee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: That was a good article. It really exposes how divisive Bernie is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 He's only divisive to the party elites. Rank and file like him just as much as the rest of the front runners, if not more. Same for the overall electorate. We just went over this like 3 pages ago I'm sure this doesn't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Massdriver said: That was a good article. It really exposes how divisive Bernie is. Blue No Matter Who 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Lol. @Signifyin(g)Monkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Isn't this exactly what super delegates did in 08? It was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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