Alpha1Cowboy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Are you serious with this nonsense? Stop with the disingenuous slippery slope bullshit. It's not a good look. Oh for fucks sake...the disingenuous slippery slope started when the Bloomberg cancer meme was posted. I'm responding to it. Jweel had the right of it That's a morality and cultural issue and we agree, the issue with Bloomberg is he's turning it into a cost issue. That's the sick part, the fact that he's blaming 95 year olds with cancer for increased healthcare costs and that denying care is the best solution. He's prioritizing keeping the current price structure over lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Can my username be changed to SlipperySlope? @SFLUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, Alpha1Cowboy said: Oh for fucks sake...the disingenuous slippery slope started when the Bloomberg cancer meme was posted. I'm responding to it. No, you're responding to the explanations of Bloomberg's [actual, not a meme] statement with ridiculous equivalencies re: execute prisoners and let children die. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: No, you're responding to the explanations of Bloomberg's [actual, not a meme] statement with ridiculous equivalencies re: execute prisoners and let children die. Give me a break. Damn..and I thought I was on the Spectrum.... Again...because I've read on form that point Bloomberg was using that take as a cost argument.....which is in itself a slippery slope. And yeah..once you start quantifying who gets acess to healthcare based on cost variables like age...then it's easy to slip more variables in the equation. That's what humanity does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Oh for fucks sake...the disingenuous slippery slope started when the Bloomberg cancer meme was posted. I'm responding to it. Bloomberg isn’t talking about a slippery slope. He is correctly pointing out that we spend a massive percentage of our total medical budget on keeping terminally ill old people alive a short time. As @CastlevaniaNut18has noted from her own experience, it often would appear that we are doing more harm than good to these people by not allowing them to peacefully die. So it’s incredibly expensive and probably causes more suffering, very good use of our resources! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Bloomberg isn’t talking about a slippery slope. He is correctly pointing out that we spend a massive percentage of our total medical budget on keeping terminally ill old people alive a short time. As @CastlevaniaNut18has noted from her own experience, it often would appear that we are doing more harm than good to these people by not allowing them to peacefully die. So it’s incredibly expensive and probably causes more suffering, very good use of our resources! If it's their choice to move to pallative care..then I'm good with that. But we can't remove them from the decision making process. If they want treatment..it should be accessible. As Jweel pointed out..Bloombergs take also does nothing to fix the cost structures of our medical system. It..like our college system is broken and in need of direct change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Damn..and I thought I was on the Spectrum.... Sophomoric. I'd say you could do better, but that would just be me acting polite. 5 minutes ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Again...because I've read on form that point Bloomberg was using that take as a cost argument.....which is in itself a slippery slope. And yeah..once you start quantifying who gets acess to healthcare based on cost variables like age...then it's easy to slip more variables in the equation. That's what humanity does. So you jump right to the most ridiculous assertions. This definitely makes your arguments look genuine and well thought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Sophomoric. I'd say you could do better, but that would just be me acting polite. So you jump right to the most ridiculous assertions. This definitely makes your arguments look genuine and well thought out. We literally live in a society where drug users go to public libraries to get off because they have naloxone on hand to bring em back from the dead. The idea of removing that variable to save on healthcare costs is plenty plausible. Hell...we are already trying to do that https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/ohio-sheriff-says-his-overdosing-ohioans-my-guys-have-no-n780666 You let someone make it an official government policy preventing healthcare based on a variable....bad stuff is gonna follow. But I will concede that your view on humanity may be more positve and optimistic than mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 That's not what the article you linked says. Quote "Here in Ohio, the live squads (paramedics) get in there about the same time and they’re more equipped to use Narcan," he said. "The people who use drugs don’t usually like the police and they turn violent once they're revived." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 FFS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Oh no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 what fucking alternate universe is that poll from. I'm having a total "am I out of touch" moment here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Like I mentioned before, I saw a Steyer ad and billboard while in Vegas! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 That M.O.E given the distribution of percentages is kind of hilarious. Everybody is winning except Warren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, 2user1cup said: Can my username be changed to SlipperySlope? @SFLUFAN lol you're not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TwinIon said: lol Polling is all over the map in Nevada: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/nevada/ Since January 9th, two polls with Biden in the lead, two polls with Sanders in the lead, one poll with Steyer in the lead. The other February poll has Sanders ahead of everyone else by 7 points. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 What the fuck? Is Nevada even real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I've never heard of "Point Blank Political" and it doesn't even have a letter grade next to it on the 538 page, so I'm not inclined to buy that at all. I'm not convinced 19% of Nevadans, or people from any other state, could pick Tom Steyer out of a lineup, although I suppose older people who watch a lot more broadcast TV than I do have seen a lot more of his ads, since he's kind of doing a miniaturized version of Bloomberg's flood the airwaves strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: What the fuck? Is Nevada even real? It's only real if you pronounce Nevada correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's only real if you pronounce Nevada correctly. That's Nevahda to you, mister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Man I cant even imagine what county they did that poll in. Even in our small county it seems that early voting leans heavy on Bernie with Buttigieg and Klobuchar after. But that was only with 68 people early voting here. Also there were people that filled out undecided on all 3 choices thinking they are allowed to vote this upcoming weekend after early voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, GeneticBlueprint said: That's Nevahda to you, mister. Is it really Nevahda, or is that like Missouri coming out to Mizurah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dodger said: Is it really Nevahda, or is that like Missouri coming out to Mizurah Nevahda would be closer to the original pronunciation in Spanish. But nobody cares when people say Arizona like most Americans instead of Ah-ree-SOHN-ah. So nobody should care how anybody pronounces Nevada either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 The pronounce the first A in Nevada like "asshole", because you are an asshole if you use the incorrect pronunciation otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/16/2020 at 10:08 AM, legend said: Obvious as you may think it is, the discussions with @b_m_b_m_b_m is because he rejects it I reject this notion entirely! All I'm saying is there is no reason to actually believe he would be better for black and brown people around the world and in this country based on his actual opinions and his actual record as mayor of the largest city in the country. They're both dangerous billionaire autocrats, one is autocracy of white Christmas nationalists (whose popular, grassroots support will not go away with the mere defeat of Trump), the other is an insidious bipartisan autocracy of the billionaire class. Anyway, back to complaining about old people using Medicare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I reject this notion entirely! All I'm saying is there is no reason to actually believe he would be better for black and brown people around the world and in this country based on his actual opinions and his actual record as mayor of the largest city in the country. They're both dangerous billionaire autocrats, one is autocracy of white Christmas nationalists (whose popular, grassroots support will not go away with the mere defeat of Trump), the other is an insidious bipartisan autocracy of the billionaire class. Anyway, back to complaining about old people using Medicare And all I'm wondering is which Democrats are going to back him on these terrible policies. Trump can do all the racist shit he wants because the GOP gives him the cover he needs. Which Democrats are going to fall in line to make a Trump-like Bloomberg presidency possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, Ghost_MH said: And all I'm wondering is which Democrats are going to back him on these terrible policies. Trump can do all the racist shit he wants because the GOP gives him the cover he needs. Which Democrats are going to fall in line to make a Trump-like Bloomberg presidency possible? They don't have to fall in line for executive action, and there are already numerous elected Democrats who have been bought off by him already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Firewithin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Uaarkson said: What the fuck? Is Nevada even real? only one city. not sure if anything else exists there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Firewithin said: only one city. not sure if anything else exists there I stayed at State Line once, so that's a thing for like all 100 peolpe who live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SimpleG Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: He isnt wrong when it comes to the midwest and Trans rights. The fact that one person can identify as the opposite gender is so mind blowing for them that many assume they are some kind deviant looking to prey on children. The go to argument is "do you want man in a dress in the girls bathroom with your daughters or your wives?" They are so terrified of the idea their first instinct is to crucify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Take with a grain of salt, but DFP had the closest polls in Iowa and NH. Only thing they missed by more than 3% was Klobuchar in NH: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They don't have to fall in line for executive action, and there are already numerous elected Democrats who have been bought off by him already But they do. The only reason Trump's executive orders haven't all been overturned is because Republicans in Congress won't back any legislation to overturn them. So again, which Democrats in Congress are going to allow any racist executive orders to continue unchallenged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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