Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: When discussing the app specifically does it really matter the type of error if it can't be widely used? This isn’t the first time the party has used an app for reporting, they did in 2016 as well. This year they made app based reporting their primary and preferred method. And they had backup measures in place for reporting. The reporting of the data from the precincts to the IDP HQ was never the real issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, stepee said: Bernies camp saying no to getting rid of caucuses and this whole shit show/app can both simultaneously suck, it’s ok. Obviously, but they can't keep accusing the DNC of rigging everything against them when the DNC changed how the results are reported to accommodate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 100% of precincts reporting now and Buttigieg holds on in the SDE count by about 1.5. Can’t get much closer than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 And Sanders by 6,000 votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This isn’t the first time the party has used an app for reporting, they did in 2016 as well. This year they made app based reporting their primary and preferred method. And they had backup measures in place for reporting. The reporting of the data from the precincts to the IDP HQ was never the real issue. It was a major issue, and the first major issue for this cycle. When your primary method of reporting breaks, and then your backups have their own problems, and then having a management/training/implementation issue on top of it all, it's a complete clusterfuck from top to bottom, but the root complaint (does not seem to be yours mind you) of "tHiS Is WhAt BeRnIe WaNtEd" is just complete bullshit. States decide how to select their delegates to the national convention. Some states moved away from caucuses to actual primaries for this cycle from the last, and that's great. Iowa wanted to be a fucking diva and go first, so they do a caucus. To provide a little transparency (and, you know, actually keep a store of actual support rather than just reporting the universally acknowledged ridiculous SDEs like in the past), Bernie's camp requested in caucuses to keep a tally of first and second round votes. Not a difficult ask, and okayed by the DNC. How this is done is left up to the state party. That the IDC failed to manage all of this is on them. They wanted to do the caucus, they then knew what was required of them, they controlled how to report the data, they controlled the process, but somehow this means it's Bernie's fault. You have to have a hole in your head to think this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Has anyone said this is Bernie's fault? I just want to know how this means the DNC rigged the system against him by following his request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jose said: Has anyone said this is Bernie's fault? I just want to know how this means the DNC rigged the system against him by following his request. 3 hours ago, Anathema- said: Let's all take a moment to remember that the DNC wanted to dump caucuses and Bernie's people refused. We wouldn't even be dealing with this nonsense if it weren't for the fact that one guy who did well in caucuses in 2016 wanted them around for his 2020 run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: His campaign probably feels comfortable enough with their margins in SC to reallocate resources to NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 @Anathema-can defend his position himself of course, but I would argue that caucuses are necessarily a bad form of voting and this is actually the expected outcome of such of dumb process. In that sense, Sanders certainly bears responsibility for keeping a bad system in place because his team knew they understood the game better than any other campaign. That doesn’t absolve the IDP of their responsibility to implement the system correctly, but a correct implementation is still bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Booty within a point of Sanders in an NH poll and within 4 points in a different NH poll. If he somehow takes NH, things will get crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jose said: Booty within a point of Sanders in an NH poll and within 4 points in a different NH poll. If he somehow takes NH, things will get crazy. DNC trying to tilt the odds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, 2user1cup said: DNC trying to tilt the odds Oh stfu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Jose said: Oh stfu. Nah they scheming, those polls are better for him because they created the narrative early that Mayo won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Nah they scheming, those polls are better for him because they created the narrative early that Mayo won. They literally changed how they report Iowa caucus results to appease the Bernie camp. Seriously, stop with the baseless accusations. It's getting super tiresome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Jose said: They literally changed how they report Iowa caucus results to appease the Bernie camp. Seriously, stop with the baseless accusations. It's getting super tiresome. Pretty sure all they wanted changed was the transparency on vote counts for the different rounds. Not sure what that has to do with the failure of the app that caused this whole mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Jose said: They literally changed how they report Iowa caucus results to appease the Bernie camp. Seriously, stop with the baseless accusations. It's getting super tiresome. Looking at the results it is clear that Bernie won. But the math don’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, baconbits said: the failure of the app that caused this whole mess. The app isn’t what caused any of the mess. It was more the cherry on top. 1 hour ago, johnny said: Looking at the results it is clear that Bernie won. But the math don’t make sense. it isn’t clear he won by the rules the IDP implemented because 1) he is currently losing, and 2) there are 100s of errors in the data from improper administration of the caucuses themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The only thing anyone should take away from Iowa is that caucuses are dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 hours ago, johnny said: Looking at the results it is clear that Bernie won. But the math don’t make sense. How is it clear Bernie won? He didn't win the SDE's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Biden's going to go after Buttigieg pretty hard, looks like. In regards to Buttigieg calling him part of the old failed Washington: "Was is a failure when I went to Congress to get Obamacare passed into law? Was it a failure of the Paris Climate Accord? The Violence Against Women Act? The Chemical Weapons Treaty? The Brady Bill? The ban on assault weapons? Was it a failure?" "Is he really saying the Obama/Biden administration was a failure? Pete, just say it out loud." "I do believe it's a risk... for this party to nominate someone who's never held an office higher than mayor of a town of 100,000 people in Indiana." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Has anyone talked about the fact that turnout in Iowa was actually pretty lackluster? I’d say that’s the biggest story coming out of this. That’s way more concerning than anything else. Low turnout will lose the election for the Dems no matter who the nominee is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Has anyone talked about the fact that turnout in Iowa was actually pretty lackluster? I’d say that’s the biggest story coming out of this. That’s way more concerning than anything else. Low turnout will lose the election for the Dems no matter who the nominee is. Yeah, we've been talking about that quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Walsh ends his campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Updated OP: Republicans who are running: Donald Trump - US President Bill Weld - Former Governor from Massachusetts, Former VP Candidate on 2016 Libertarian Ticket Democrats who are running: Michael Bennet - U.S. Senator from Colorado Joe Biden - Former Vice President of the United States Michael Bloomberg - Former Mayor of New York City Pete Buttigieg - Mayor of South Bend Tulsi Gabbard - US Representative from Hawaii's 2nd District Amy Klobuchar - US Senator from Minnesota Deval Patrick - Former Governor of Massachusetts Bernie Sanders - US Senator from Vermont Tom Steyer - Billionaire Hedge Fund Manager Elizabeth Warren - US Senator from Massachusetts Andrew Yang - Entrepreneur and founder of Venture for America DROPPED OUT Bill de Blasio - Mayor of New York City Cory Booker - US Senator from New Jersey Steve Bullock - Governor of Montana Julián Castro - Former mayor of San Antonio and Former Secretary of House and Urban Development under Obama John Delaney - Former US Representative of Maryland's 6th District Kirsten Gillibrand - US Senator from New York Mike Gravel - Former Senator from Alaska Kamala Harris - US Senator from California John Hickenlooper - Former Governor of Colorado Jay Inslee - Governor of Washington Wayne Messam - Mayor from Miramar, Florida Seth Moulton - US Representative from Massachusetts Richard Ojeda - Former State Senator from West Virginia Beto O'Rourke - Former US Representative from Texas Tim Ryan - US Representative from Ohio Mark Sanford (R) - Former Governor from South Carolina Joe Sestak - Former U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania Eric Swalwell - U.S. Representative from California Joe Walsh (R) - Radio Host, Former US Representative from Illinois Marianne Williamson - Activist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Has anyone talked about the fact that turnout in Iowa was actually pretty lackluster? I’d say that’s the biggest story coming out of this. That’s way more concerning than anything else. Low turnout will lose the election for the Dems no matter who the nominee is. I mentioned it a few times. Depressing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Lets wait till we see the turnout in states that have real voting and not the caucus BS that everyone hates before we make judgements on turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I need to look at Texas Primaries. I want to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: States decide how to select their delegates to the national convention. Quote The DNC can’t force states to change their rules 12 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Some states moved away from caucuses to actual primaries Bernie's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 This is the moment - Bill Weld's chances of winning the primary drastically increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It's unfair for Sanders how the media spun this. On the other hand, Sanders had more cash and name recognition and he could have lost to a small town former mayor from the Midwest. The Sanders turn out surge didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Massdriver said: It's unfair for Sanders how the media spun this. On the other hand, Sanders had more cash and name recognition and he lost to a small town former mayor from the Midwest. The Sanders turn out surge didn't happen. I was told caucuses were bad and the results inconclusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I was told caucuses were bad and the results inconclusive I edited my post to say may have won. We should wait to see how things go for sure, it’s just not a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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