CitizenVectron Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, sblfilms said: He could, but with all being proportional, he still needs others to drop out to secure enough pledged delegates to win at the convention. With the DNC clearly still being opposed to a Sanders nomination, I can imagine the big time donors going into overdrive to bundle for Warren and Biden to stymie Sanders’ chance to get over the threshold. I would love for Warren to be the main opponent to Sanders, and then have her throw her delegates to him at a brokered convention (to the fury of the DNC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, CitizenVectron said: I would love for Warren to be the main opponent to Sanders, and then have her throw her delegates to him at a brokered convention (to the fury of the DNC). She won’t do that, she’s a shitlib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 DHS chief says offer to vet Iowa caucus app was declined Probably the only smart decision made in the entire operation of this shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Haven't all reports indicated that the miscounts favored Booty? Why all the fucking bitching? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 They hate bernie so much I'm surprised they havent sent Epstein prison guard after him yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 @Signifyin(g)Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Best news to come out of Iowa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I like the Biden news more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I like the Biden news more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: @Signifyin(g)Monkey Clearly his internals show him doing so well that he can afford to economize his operation and still win. The books were cooked in Iowa. Don’t believe the DNC’s lies. ...or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: I would love for Warren to be the main opponent to Sanders, and then have her throw her delegates to him at a brokered convention (to the fury of the DNC). I think if it was that close then the party would almost certainly consolidate behind Warren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Losing her fellow women of color smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Jose said: Haven't all reports indicated that the miscounts favored Booty? Why all the fucking bitching? tHe NaRrITiVe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Let's all take a moment to remember that the DNC wanted to dump caucuses and Bernie's people refused. We wouldn't even be dealing with this nonsense if it weren't for the fact that one guy who did well in caucuses in 2016 wanted them around for his 2020 run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Let's all take a moment to remember that the DNC wanted to dump caucuses and Bernie's people refused. We wouldn't even be dealing with this nonsense if it weren't for the fact that one guy who did well in caucuses in 2016 wanted them around for his 2020 run. If I order something from Amazon, and Amazon fucked up my order, is it my fault? Whose fault is it they used this stupid shitty app? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: If I order something from Amazon, and Amazon fucked up my order, is it my fault? Whose fault is it they used this stupid shitty app? The reflexive deflection is a bit much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Anathema- said: The reflexive deflection is a bit much. Because it's a dumb fucking comment. Is it the fault of the Congress for the ACA marketplace launch being a disaster? Why is the requestor at fault and not the provider? It was a shit system *to count the actual votes* using a shit app made my a politically connected company. But yes, Bernie's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Whose fault is it they used this stupid shitty app? The app has just about nothing to do with any of the problems. Even the night of, the IDP first said they were doing the “quality control” because they were seeing irregularities in the data they were receiving. This is almost certainly because the caucus rules weren’t being followed, so the math on the sheets didn’t make sense. The preference cards were also getting filled out incorrectly in a lot of cases. The app is just the fall guy for a completely broken caucus system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The app has just about nothing to do with any of the problems. Even the night of, the IDP first said they were doing the “quality control” because they were seeing irregularities in the data they were receiving. This is almost certainly because the caucus rules weren’t being followed, so the math on the sheets didn’t make sense. The preference cards were also getting filled out incorrectly in a lot of cases. The app is just the fall guy for a completely broken caucus system. Somehow the Sanders and booti campaigns were able to keep their counts. This is on the IDC/DNC and whomever created this system, and the mechanism thereof, the app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Somehow the Sanders and booti campaigns were able to keep their counts. This is on the IDC Their counts aren’t right either because the individual sites weren’t following the procedures correctly. There is actually no way to get the correct result at this point because the IDP didn’t train the volunteers properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Bernies camp saying no to getting rid of caucuses and this whole shit show/app can both simultaneously suck, it’s ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 THIS is the moment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I mean, how do we know the app wasn't correctly reporting bad input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Fighting for this is stupid, too. Is there even a half dozen delegate difference here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Fighting for this is stupid, too. Is there even a half dozen delegate difference here? Zero, actually (nationally). Overall they could just declare it a tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Fighting for this is stupid, too. Is there even a half dozen delegate difference here? There is exactly a zero national delegate difference between Sanders and Buttigieg no matter how these various errors resolve. They are going to tie for national delegates out of the state. But this was never about national delegates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 They should just skip Iowa and come back to it at the end if it'll actually matter. Iowa lost the right to sit at the adult's table this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 39 minutes ago, Anathema- said: I mean, how do we know the app wasn't correctly reporting bad input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 58 minutes ago, Anathema- said: I mean, how do we know the app wasn't correctly reporting bad input? The app wasn't letting users log on, let alone record votes https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/politics/iowa-caucus-problems.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, stepee said: Bernies camp saying no to getting rid of caucuses and this whole shit show/app can both simultaneously suck, it’s ok. Psst, states get to decide how their electoral contest will go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Anathema- said: Let's all take a moment to remember that the DNC wanted to dump caucuses and Bernie's people refused. We wouldn't even be dealing with this nonsense if it weren't for the fact that one guy who did well in caucuses in 2016 wanted them around for his 2020 run. On 2/3/2020 at 11:48 PM, outsida said: This is the system Bernie wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The app wasn't letting users log on, let alone record votes https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/politics/iowa-caucus-problems.html That doesn’t answer Ana’s question though. We know many precincts did send their data in via the app, and those who had issues started using other methods such as calling in or texting photos of their worksheets, all the way to physically trucking their documents to the IDP HQ. As far as I can tell, there hasn’t been any suggestion of issues with the data that was received being in error from what was sent. I believe the errors have been three types 1. errors in counting because of rules being enforced incorrectly. 2. errors in the math of the worksheets 3. errors in the spreadsheets the IDP released during their data dumps 2 and 3 can be fixed fairly easily, 1 is impossible to fix after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, sblfilms said: That doesn’t answer Ana’s question though. We know many precincts did send their data in via the app, and those who had issues started using other methods such as calling in or texting photos of their worksheets, all the way to physically trucking their documents to the IDP HQ. As far as I can tell, there hasn’t been any suggestion of issues with the data that was received being in error from what was sent. I believe the errors have been three types 1. errors in counting because of rules being enforced incorrectly. 2. errors in the math of the worksheets 3. errors in the spreadsheets the IDP released during their data dumps 2 and 3 can be fixed fairly easily, 1 is impossible to fix after the fact. When discussing the app specifically does it really matter the type of error if it can't be widely used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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